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Supercilius Maximus26 Nov 2015 3:44 p.m. PST

Anyone know which manufacturers' products would be suitable for the "pre-hussar" era in Polish history?

A friend is looking to produce a FoG:R Early Polish army covering the 1500-1560 period.

dwight shrute26 Nov 2015 3:45 p.m. PST

what scale ?

vexillia26 Nov 2015 3:51 p.m. PST

In 15 mm this range may help with the earlier part of this period – bit.ly/1R9k9Pg

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Swampster26 Nov 2015 4:57 p.m. PST

In 15mm, Serbian style hussars as shown on the Battle of Orsha painting (i.e. not the winged type), can be bought from various people. I've just painted some from QR Miniatures which are nice. They are in their late 16th century range but they are suitable for earlier.

picture
is a good guide for the Poles. Some of the infantry look like armoured Swiss would do.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2015 8:48 p.m. PST

Where can folks see a close up of that painting?

Swampster27 Nov 2015 12:55 a.m. PST

A search for 'battle of Orsha' should give a lot of links to close ups and zoomable versions. The Wikipedia article link has a fairly good one.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2015 6:33 a.m. PST

Thank you.

Kadrinazi27 Nov 2015 12:19 p.m. PST

Plenty of close up of this painting:
link

Supercilius Maximus28 Nov 2015 5:05 a.m. PST

Thanks to everybody who has contributed – and yes, sorry, I should have said it was 15mm figures my mate is interested in.

So, it sounds like a lot of generic Late Mediaeval/Early Renaissance figures would be ok for everyone except the light cavalry, who in turn could be represented by generic figures from earlier/later East European ranges. Yes?

In the painting of the Battle of Orsha, am I right in thinking that the Poles are coming from the right and the Russians from the left? The reason I'm in doubt is because the guys who appear to be the Poles seem to have St George's crosses on their lance pennants, which I would have thought was more of a Russian thing.

Swampster28 Nov 2015 9:03 a.m. PST

PDF link is a pretty good read about the painting and battle. Lots more close ups though mostly in b&w. Some parts not shown here link are covered in the pdf.

The Poles and Lithuanians are indeed carrying St George pennants. A cluster of hussars are around a Polish flag of eagle on red. The other flags, which look rather green, are apparently blue Lithuanian flags. The bunch of horsemen in the foreground with bows would thus be native Lithuanians dressed similarly to the Polish whereas those in the extreme background in white caps are Tatars in Lithuanian service.

Some earlier East European light cavalry could be of use but I wouldn't go too early. Essex does a variety of Serbian, Hungarian, Wallachian and Lithuanian cavalry in their EMED range. Irregular have some too – there can be some gems in the Irregular range so these may be okay.

I've mentioned the figures from the QR range. Some of the By Fire and Sword figures may be of use though holsters may need removing. There are also figures from various other ranges – Minifigs, Roundway, 15mm.co.uk for instance.

I think the one most like the painting are the QR figures amd Essex's Polish-Serbians.

The knights may well have their uniformity exaggerated. Having only some in plate barding probably wouldn't go amiss and the foot in plate seem to be wearing tournament armour which may be an exaggeration too.

Supercilius Maximus29 Nov 2015 7:50 a.m. PST

Thanks, Swampster.

(Are you the same "Swampster" from the [very] old "General de Brigade Forum"?)

Swampster29 Nov 2015 10:39 a.m. PST

That's me :)
A brief foray into the wicked world of Napoleonics before returning to my true love of the ancient and medieval.

Supercilius Maximus30 Nov 2015 12:35 p.m. PST

Always enjoyed your posts on there – thanks for your help here.

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