"Waterloo details" Topic
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Mike the Analyst | 14 Nov 2015 7:32 a.m. PST |
Looking for some help on a couple of questions. There are three British batteries Ilbert, Hutchesson and one other each with 4x18lbrs. Can anyone tell me something about these guns. I am assuming these were naval 18lbr barrels on French (twin block) style carriages. Were these siege guns or garrison guns. 18 pounders seem like overkill as field pieces. Cent Jours mentions that the guns were left in garrison and the gunners were used to manage the small arms munitions columns. Does anyone have any source material for this. Finally can anyone give me the routes and timings taken by Chasse and Trip and Ghingy on 16th and 17th June. (ideally with sources for this). Thanks in advance |
Camcleod | 14 Nov 2015 9:02 a.m. PST |
Bowden in "Armies At Waterloo" identifies the other Brigade (battery) as Morisson's. A note says that: 'Detachments of Captain Hutchesson's and Captain Ilbert's Brigades served at Waterloo in charge of small arms ammunition distribution. The remainder of these Brigades along with Captain Morisson's Brigade were in the Antwerp-Ostend areas.' No reference is given. C.E.Franklin's 'British Napoleonic Field Artillery' has a little info on these heavy guns. He supposes that the lighter version of the 18 pdr. was used and as 'a gun of position'. The only other reference I found to these 18 pdrs is in Duncan's 'History of the Royal Regt. of Artillery' 1879 ( available on Google Books). P. 415 says: 'As fast as the companies and drivers arrived from America, they were sent to Belgium; but the demand still exceeded the supply. Only six days before the battle, it is recorded that no fewer than 1000 drivers were wanting. This had been partly caused by the Duke of Wellington insisting on the formation of three brigades of 18-pounders, … and partly by the demands of the small-arm ammunition trains.' So I assume the three brigades were stuck around Antwerp-Ostend with not enough personnel to get them to the front. Cliff |
vtsaogames | 14 Nov 2015 9:12 a.m. PST |
Sounds like the Duke's siege train. |
IronDuke596 | 14 Nov 2015 11:18 a.m. PST |
The 18 pdrs of Morison's Brigade were field guns, ostensibly used for siege work but also used to support British infantry in the Peninsula as at Fuenterrabia prior to Bayonne.p344-45. Ibert's and Hutcheson's 18 pdr brigades had four guns each, which were stored on board the Schuyts 'in the canal' (presunably in Ostend or perhpas Antwerp) as part of the pursuit and the siege of five fortresses after Waterloo. The siege train is described as 40 x 24pdrs, 6 x 8" howitzers, 6 x 68 pdr carronades, 9 x 10" mortars, and 9 x 8" mortars. p391. Further,the 18pdr siege train was formed by the companies of Capts Hutcheson, Ilbert and Hunt; p359. There is more info but this gives you an idea. Ref Wellington's Guns by Nick Lipscombe. Also, 18pdrs and 24 pdrs as field guns were used during the War of 1812 in UC and LC. |
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