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Frankss08 Nov 2015 11:31 a.m. PST

Good Day. Just in the dreaming stage. Saw Sgt Mess has 20mm British Abbot out.

I am not British so don't know much about BAOR but have served in the military many years ago part of it in the infantry not artillery.

Naturally I imagine the horses of Warsaw Pact armour moving across BAOR sector.
Know the self propelled gun Abbot had HESH rounds.

Now if I decide to field them ( have an infantry platoon with FV 432 already ) I would like to have some realistic idea of how the Abbot would/could be utilized in an anti armour role.
I understand it was not designed to face armour but if the situation arose out of necessity. Could someone who was trained in the role offer some advice/information and antidotial stories from training or exercises.


Thank You. Franksd

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2015 4:47 p.m. PST

Well I was an Infantryman too. But based on my experiences in the US ARMY. And study of history. Any FA pieces used in the direct fire mode would only be out of desperation and necessity. As you mentioned …

badger2208 Nov 2015 5:57 p.m. PST

Never trained with the Brits in that manner. But US doctrine was, each battery had a tack killer team(which I was in charge of several different times), that was to engage and delay the armor so the guns could get away.

While we would train on direct fire occasionally, we did not see it as a really effective means of defense. If we could get a surprise shot from a flank might do the trick. Most gun chiefs told me they would get most of their crew away from the gun so at least a few of them would survive.

The best round we had for AT direct fire was standard HE. We used quick fuze, and hoped to stop the tank with a hit. OIf that happened, we where to switch to delay fuze. As most tanks can get 3-4 round out for every one we shoot, if we missed the 1st round there likely would not be a second. And anything over 1000 yards is very unlikely to get a first round hit. Remember, no rangefinders and a very arced trajectory meant range was very important.

A few times a gun chief would come to me to get a map estimation of range, which was always better than they could do with the old Mk 1 eyeball. That usually seemed to help, but still very few 1st round hits.

When I first started leaning all of this, my platoon Sgt, a Vietnam vet told use if we got in that situation, we where already dead, we would just be trying to take a few SOBs with us. And trying to run from tanks just means you die tired, so you might as well shoot.

Owen

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2015 8:44 a.m. PST

And trying to run from tanks just means you die tired, so you might as well shoot.
Pretty much the same goes for being an Infantryman. evil grin

Now from a historical stand point in WWII in places like Stalingrad, Manila, Berlin, etc. they fired FA in direct mode at structures. etc. …
I know my Father's unit, the 90th ID in France during the Lorraine Campaign. Their frontline was overrun. And Panzers were advancing into their rear areas. And some of the 90th's FA opened up in direct fire mode to halt the Panzers. Including 155s … that could ring your bell !

Also during the opening battles of the Korean War. The US ARMY's "TF Smith" had to use 105mm Towed FA pieces with HEAT rounds to fire direct at the North Korean T-34/85s. That had penetrated the frontlines.

So it happens on occasions … Of course Badger's comments are "gold" since he was a Red Leg. He knows the deal …

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