"renaissance vs, 18th C. Vs age of reason" Topic

So in this board the devide is 1699vs 1700.

But I don't feel the Scanian war, The wars of Louis XIV feel very renesancy?

I mean the WSS is almost right after the NYW. Yet one is techicaly a renaissance war, the other a 18th century war.

I feel there is an overlap and The 18th century borad should also be called Age of reason board or something.

The Renaissance period is 17th century.

Actually the age of reason spans late 17th early 18th. It's between renessanse and age of enlightenment

I think Renaissance should end after WSS or GNW
Mark

I think Renaissance should end after WSS or GNW

Renaissance is typified by the combined use of pike and shot. By the WSS, and largely due to the introduction of the bayonet, this had resolved into the linear warfare of the 18th century. So, no, I would not include WSS in the Renaissance period. I cannot comment wrt the GNW.

Or to put it another way, I would not use a set of rules designed for the Reanaissance wars of the ECW and TYW to fight battles in the WSS. Rules for 18th century OTOH would work fine for WSS.

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Yep. Pike & shot, continued use of armor, matchlock firearms are all characteristic of 'early modern' warfare, prior to the 18th century. Efficient flintlocks an bayonets for the infantry began the age of linear warfare, just about as the 18th century began. Some regions and states lagged technically, used pikes and matchlocks later than others (I'm looking at you, GNW), but the technical divide is clear.

Early Modern would be a better name for the board than Renaissance. The Renaissance had been over for a while by 1650.

There is a smaller diffrence between NYW and GNW/WSS
Then say italian wars and thirty years war. Not to mention italian wars vs NYW.

Only difference between nyw and wss in gameplay is the token pikes, by NYW almost all units had flintlocks.

Only difference between nyw and wss in gameplay is the token pikes, by NYW almost all units had flintlocks.

In which case I'd include the Nine Years War in the 18th century period as well.

It's the change in technology rather than a specific date threshold.

In my opinion the " Renaissance" ( learn to spell you lot!), ended in 1618 with the start of the Thirty Years War. It presaged a backwards movement to religious intolerance that would last until roughly the French Revolution.

I consider the Age of Reason to cover the ' flintlock" period of 1685-1845. H'mmm. Exactly the same as my Favourite Ruleset by WRG!!!

In my opinion the " Renaissance" ( learn to spell you lot!), ended in 1618 with the start of the Thirty Years War.

So how would you refer to the period encompassing the TYW and the ECW?

Wars of Religion.

Personally, I think the renaissance, at least as far as wargaming is concerned, starts in 1495 with Charles VIII invasion of Italy at the start of the Italian Wars and ends with the last widespread use (in Europe) of the crossbow (mounted or otherwise), possibly about 1540 with the advent of the pistol.

After that 'pike and shot' might be more apt.

If this was used, you get:

Medieval
Renaissance
Pike and shot
Age of Reason

Wars of Religion.

As good a name as any. Although there are many that would dispute the view that the ECW was a "religious" war.

So…it would seem that dates are kind of an arbitrary number that don't correspond to anything relevant…
Major B has it right. WSS is the beginning of the 18th Century w/r/t Warfare.
Bayonets and the ending of pikes.
I agree that NYW etc is not Renaissance, but floppy hats are stupid anyway!!! (just kidding.)
I believe you are the victim of heuristics.