"Murrey Colour" Topic

Lots of the Heraldic banners have Murrey as a colour, what in Vallejo or GW would be the nearest to it? Thank You.

A sort of dark pink.

I would have described it as a dark reddish purple, but others describe it as a reddish brown It was originally produced from the fruits of the mulberry tree, so I imagine the colour would fade over time.

Dulux paints reckon it is this:

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For once I think Dulux have got a colour name fairly correct.

While we can't say EXACTLY what Murrey meant to the medieval herald it certainly wasn't any precise colour in the way in which we understand colour naming today.

Dull purplish brown would be my description – with a tendency toward the red rather than the blue (unlike a mulberry stain – which is rather bluish to start with, though oxidises to a weak, muddy brown).

I haven't found a good match in any Vallejo colour but use saddle brown mixed with a touch of bright blue (Royal or Intense) and maybe a touch of white if that seems too dull.

Citadel Six gives a bunch of color options to match the murrey he uses in his standards:

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There is a really nice guide by Penny Ladnier titled 'Color in Elizabethan Dress' that can be found here: link

It gives contemporary (early C16th) descriptions of colours and describes Murrey as being 'Mulberry Colour' and 'Purplish Red'.

It also includes details of Watchet, Dead Spaniard and Goose-Turd.

Intriguingly there are also shades with wonderful names like 'Sad New Colour', 'Old Medley' and 'Lustie Gallant' but frustratingly no more details are known.

Of the Vallejo paints, I've used VMC Hull Red but the Model Air version may be a little closer (it's somewhat more brown).

Look at mulberry juice, this is closest as this is what was used to dye the cloth

Cheers
Matt

Not a big user of GW paints, but for Murray I used Khorne Red, a brown wash and highlighted with Khorne Red.