jeffreyw3 | 10 Oct 2015 6:23 p.m. PST |
A thread on another forum bemoaned the decline of gaming "In the Grand Manner" with huge armies. A number of causes were suggested. Do you agree, and to what would you attribute this malaise? 1. 28mm metals are too expensive these days? 2. Plastics are cheaper, but who wants to assemble all that? 3. The world is a faster place than it was 20 years ago--no spare time? 4. Who wants to spend all weekend on a game? 5. Painting has to be to "museum quality" to impress anyone? (The internet raising standards beyond "tabletop.") 6. Short-Attention Span Theater turning the world over to skirmish gaming? |
Rich Bliss | 10 Oct 2015 6:44 p.m. PST |
I'm not sure I agree. Maybe it's the definition of a game "In the Grand Manner". I put on large games that use 28mm figures but I use rules that allows me to finish In a reasonable time, I plays Shiloh in an 8 hour day, for example. |
Allen57 | 10 Oct 2015 6:58 p.m. PST |
Rich, I am retired and still do not imagine how I could devote an entire 8 hours to a game or that I would really want to.. As to games in the "grand manner". I really doubt that outside some convention experiences that huge games were ever all that common. Expense and time make such games prohibitive. |
Winston Smith | 10 Oct 2015 7:11 p.m. PST |
I played in the Grand Manner 20 years ago. Now I am an Old Fart. |
etotheipi | 10 Oct 2015 7:19 p.m. PST |
Wait a minute … who's not serving Grand Marnier at their games anymore? Well! I'm not goi… what … oh … "Grand Manner" … I attribute it to making a comparative statement without a baseline to compare to or even a metric to measure the past or current performance. Common malady. |
Grelber | 10 Oct 2015 7:28 p.m. PST |
Well, yes, a decade or so ago, I gave up the Internet due to competition for computer time with other family members, and my painting increased significantly. The grand manner armies with thousands of figures do take a lot of money and time, and I'm afraid they are always something I was going to do as soon as I finished my latest smaller project. Grelber |
Winston01 | 10 Oct 2015 7:32 p.m. PST |
The club I game with plays large games it just takes us multiple weeks to finish the battles only getting together once a week. My only thing is takes me a long time to amass a large number of figures. That is because of time and money, does not matter the type of figures. I have actually cut down my computer usage. |
thorr666 | 10 Oct 2015 8:02 p.m. PST |
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Martin Rapier | 10 Oct 2015 11:49 p.m. PST |
The internet has affected my painting in that it is a great place to learn new techniques. The pressure of modern life has reduced the amount of gaming time. |
warwell | 11 Oct 2015 3:06 a.m. PST |
The pressure of modern life has reduced the amount of gaming time. Same for me. Although I never gamed in the "grand manner." |
Dentatus | 11 Oct 2015 8:54 a.m. PST |
Sure – Internet is a time-soak. More time on Net = less time painting. |
CeruLucifus | 11 Oct 2015 9:42 a.m. PST |
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Cardinal Ximenez | 11 Oct 2015 9:57 a.m. PST |
I think it's a matter of time and less disposable income. DM |
Andoreth | 11 Oct 2015 10:10 a.m. PST |
Yes but the Internet is wonderful for finding information or inspiration. As examples kronoskaf allows you to look at any major engagement of the Seven Years War and find the appropriate colours to paint units, and my Vikings are much more colourful for copying (poorly) some of the paint schemes on the Foundry website. |
Old Contemptibles | 11 Oct 2015 9:33 p.m. PST |
The internet has affected my painting in the following ways. 1. A wealth of knowledge about how to paint better. 2. I have discovered some good pro-painters, which has freed up more time for gaming and making terrain, painting buildings. 3. Pro-Painters frees up time to do more research and writing scenarios. 4. Uniform information is so much better and available than when I entered this hobby. Thank you Internet. |
DWilliams | 12 Oct 2015 8:17 a.m. PST |
1. Yes, that's why I buy Old Glory 25s with the 40% discount. 2. Not me. I already spend too much time filing metal miniatures down. 3. I disagree, I think we actually have more spare time now. 4. Not me. Only for special convention weekends. 5. There are still plenty of poorly painted miniatures in the Internet era! 6. Skirmish gaming is just another way to have fun with tabletop games. It provides a nice alternative to large, set-piece battles that take ages to get through. |
javelin98 | 13 Oct 2015 5:14 p.m. PST |
It has generally made me a better painter, especially things like the Black Gobbo articles and whatnot. On the other hand, I find some of that Golden Demon level stuff to be so intimidating that I won't buy the minis being shown. I just can't do them justice, so I don't spend the money. |
Gunfreak | 14 Oct 2015 3:27 a.m. PST |
I started painting AFTER the internet was a big thing. And it's only been a positive. My painting skill non existant, to above avrage, and all because of watching others paint job, finding techniqes, color mixes ect. Also fantastic inspiration. I do not care for skirmish gaming, even in WW2 and modern where I feel it looks great. I always like big unit and big armies. 99% of my projects(tho I never get that far into them) are always based on armies of sevral hundreds. |