Gunfreak | 08 Oct 2015 10:34 a.m. PST |
I remebmer reading that you get discounts for every 6, 8 and 16 packs bought, but where is the page stating this? I've looked on foundry and tried to google it. |
Griefbringer | 08 Oct 2015 10:50 a.m. PST |
If I remember correctly, they discontinued those discounts at some point during the summer. |
79thPA | 08 Oct 2015 10:54 a.m. PST |
Discontinued several months ago. |
Endless Grubs | 08 Oct 2015 10:57 a.m. PST |
It's kind of been replaced with free postage for those few lines offered from their "casting room" *ducking inevitable brick* I don't even recall seeing their Horde deals anymore come to think of it…. |
Gunfreak | 08 Oct 2015 11:22 a.m. PST |
ah so some of the most expencive 28mm on the market, now has no discouts… |
MH Dee | 08 Oct 2015 1:10 p.m. PST |
I doubt £12.00 GBP for 8 28mm figures make them the most expensive on the market these days… Unless they've had a recent price increase. |
Axebreaker | 08 Oct 2015 1:45 p.m. PST |
Yep, the army deals and horde deals are gone and I suppose a lot of the sales with it. @MH Dee
Not true many packs only 6 figures per. Most 8 figure packs are the more generic poses.;-) Christopher |
MajorB | 08 Oct 2015 2:11 p.m. PST |
ah so some of the most expencive 28mm on the market, now has no discouts… If you think £1.50 GBP – £2.00 GBP per figure is expensive, I can show you a number of manufacturers who charge £3.00 GBP or even £4.00 GBP per figure! |
YogiBearMinis | 08 Oct 2015 2:19 p.m. PST |
They probably plan to run random sales--they had a 20% discount for a few weeks in early September, with no restrictions on ranges or combinations. |
MH Dee | 08 Oct 2015 2:54 p.m. PST |
Last Foundry I got were the Maximillian Adventure ones. 8 infantry (variations within a pose) and 6 character/command. I'm not saying they are cheap, but they're no longer the most expensive on the market. I recently got some Pike and Shot figs from Warlord and they were exactly the same price – 8 for £12.00 GBP |
Lord Elpass | 08 Oct 2015 3:04 p.m. PST |
Perry £7.00 GBP for 6 figures or £8.50 GBP for 3 cavalry against £12.00 GBP for Foundry packs of which 85-90% are themselves Perry sculpts. Selling £12.00 GBP packs of mostly inferior sculpts commisioned by the now notorious & patently clueless "previous management". But I'm sure the new management will come up with some really good, tempting offers sooner or later they always do. |
The Beast Rampant | 08 Oct 2015 3:30 p.m. PST |
If you think £1.50 GBP GBP – £2.00 GBP GBP per figure is expensive, I can show you a number of manufacturers who charge £3.00 GBP GBP or even £4.00 GBP GBP per figure! Historicals? |
Warlord | 08 Oct 2015 3:32 p.m. PST |
I did catch the discount this spring/summer and bought a COUPLE OF HUNDRED of ACW miniatures :) I too went back to purchase more at those wonderful prices and found that they had stopped their discounts about a week before so i did not place my order – sigh… I have enough to paint for a while though :) |
rxpjks1 | 08 Oct 2015 5:26 p.m. PST |
That is one thing I do not understand about Manufacturers. Would you rather make 20% on thousands of dollars worth of orders, or nothing with the merchandise set at a 50% profit. |
Bandolier | 08 Oct 2015 6:29 p.m. PST |
I flagged this back in June. TMP link As an overseas buyer I will only order when the discounts are on. |
Mike Bravo Miniatures | 09 Oct 2015 4:29 a.m. PST |
rxpjks, I suspect most manufacturers would love to take 20% of thousands of dollars' worth of sales per figure but not all figures will generate that much. Looking at our own costings, the Perry prices IMO do not reflect the true cost of production and sale (I'd say they are in the nice position of being able to significantly undervalue their own time, for one) and benefit from having a number of cash cows in their ranges that subsidise the prices of the more esoteric figures. And Perry stuff will just sell in volume because of who they are and what they produce. Few other manufacturers can rely on that. Almost certainly, anyone else releasing 28mm WW2 Senegalese Tiraileurs, for example, would not be able to sell them at £1.16 GBP per figure and hope to make a meaningful return that enables the business to grow. You might get away with it if it's a hobby venture that only needs to break even but anyone hoping to generate a living wage from it or expand the lines would not be able to do so. I'd love to match that price point but it's simply not commercially viable to do so. |
79thPA | 09 Oct 2015 5:25 a.m. PST |
For the 8 figure packs, the cost of a fig is $2.00 USD, which is well in line with the industry standard. The 6 packs of figs bring the cost to $3.00 USD ea, which is on the high side, but a number of manufacturers are above the $2.00 USD point already. Brigade command figs run about $3.00 USD ea, while Northstar command and special figs run from $3 USD-4.00 each, while their cavalry is almost the same price as Foundry -- $17.10 USD per pack of three as opposed to $18.00 USD per pack of three. Pulp's figs cost over $5.00 USD each (assuming their standard 5 pack); you have to buy 5 packs to get them DOWN to $3.00 USD each. Foundry pricing is not the Bogeyman that it once was. |
MajorB | 09 Oct 2015 6:03 a.m. PST |
If you think £1.50 GBP GBP GBP – £2.00 GBP GBP GBP per figure is expensive, I can show you a number of manufacturers who charge £3.00 GBP GBP GBP or even £4.00 GBP GBP GBP per figure! Historicals?
Why should whether a figure is "historical" or not make any difference? A figure still has to be sculpted, turned into a master mould and spun cast no matter whether it is "historical" or "non-historical" (whatever that means). |
Gunfreak | 09 Oct 2015 7:21 a.m. PST |
Because fantasy and Sci fi figs generaly are way overpriced, but somehow still sells. We historical guys get miffed. If we have tp pay fantasy prices for our figures. |
MajorB | 09 Oct 2015 8:12 a.m. PST |
Because fantasy and Sci fi figs generaly are way overpriced, but somehow still sells.We historical guys get miffed. If we have tp pay fantasy prices for our figures. Why do you think fantasy and sci fi figures are overpriced? As I said, the production costs are pretty much the same. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 09 Oct 2015 10:02 a.m. PST |
Sales of SF and possibly fantasy figures are lower than historical, per figure, because the markets are different. SF players don't want 4 units mostly made up of the same identical figure marching, they want each figure to be unique. Therefore, the costs per figure are higher spread across the sales, as you will sell fewer of each figure. My sales of WSS1 in my 15mm WSS range subsidise the production of the engineers and sedan chair in the same range as that pack has one sculpt but sells in large numbers. In the 28mm Cobalt-1 range the same thing logistic don't apply and the figures have to be priced higher than an equivalent 28mm WSS figure would be. Mike |
MajorB | 09 Oct 2015 10:20 a.m. PST |
Therefore, the costs per figure are higher spread across the sales, as you will sell fewer of each figure. But that misses the point that any manufacturer should have worked out a Single Product Break Even Forecast for each figure – in other words, how many figures in a specific pose will he need to sell to cover the cost of production? For most figures, whether historical or not that Break Even point should be well below the total lifetime sales figure otherwise there would be no profit in making and selling the figures in the first place. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 09 Oct 2015 10:34 a.m. PST |
Calculations aren't done like that – it is based on how many of each figure you will sell over a period of time, not the production cost. Prices of anything are never solely based on production cost – they are also based on what the market will pay. |
MajorB | 09 Oct 2015 11:07 a.m. PST |
Calculations aren't done like that – it is based on how many of each figure you will sell over a period of time, not the production cost. Really? If it costs me £1,000.00 GBP to sculpt, create a master mould and cast the figures* and I sell each figure for £2.00 GBP then I need to sell 500 of them to break even. The 501st figure sold (and all thereafter until the mould dies) is pure profit. Until I've sold 500 figures I don't make ANY profit. If my sales forecast (based on my market analysis) shows that I am going to sell less than 500 then I'd think twice about producing them at all. * Actually it's a bit more complicated than that. There are the up-front costs of sculpting and mould making and the the ongoing costs of casting. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 09 Oct 2015 12:28 p.m. PST |
That is nothing to with what I said – you were implying that the cost should be the same for all figures and it isn't due to the reasons I've outlined… I'm out of this discussion – it's going in circles…. |
MajorB | 09 Oct 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
you were implying that the cost should be the same for all figures and it isn't due to the reasons I've outlined… Except you did not give any real reasons for the COSTS to be any different. The cost of sculpting a master will be roughly the same whether it is a historical figure or not. The cost of producing a mould is the same. The cost of casting a batch of figures is the same. Or have I missed something? |
MajorB | 09 Oct 2015 1:33 p.m. PST |
Prices of anything are never solely based on production cost – they are also based on what the market will pay. Artificially inflating the price to "what the market will pay" (and thus reducing the number of sales required to break even) could be considered to be a mild form of profiteering … |
Henry Martini | 09 Oct 2015 1:54 p.m. PST |
But historically (fantastically?), as most of us know, fantasy and SF figures have been perhaps on average up to twice the price (and in the case of GW, sometimes a lot more) of historicals because the younger market for those products (or more to the point, its parents) has been prepared to pay whatever is demanded – whether for figures designed for skirmish games or mass battles. |
Mike Bravo Miniatures | 09 Oct 2015 3:15 p.m. PST |
"The cost of sculpting a master will be roughly the same whether it is a historical figure or not." Not in my experience – quotes I've had from fantasy sculptors for historical subjects have almost universally come in at significantly (sometimes 2 or 3 times) more than those from pure historical sculptors. I would think that many fantasy figures also require more time input from sculptors, and you may have to pay for concept art on top. |
MajorB | 10 Oct 2015 3:55 a.m. PST |
Not in my experience – quotes I've had from fantasy sculptors for historical subjects have almost universally come in at significantly (sometimes 2 or 3 times) more than those from pure historical sculptors. So in other words they are price gouging link the market too. Actually, I'd even argue that an historical figure takes MORE effort to sculpt since you have to check historical references to ensure accuracy whereas a fantasy figure is just a flight of fancy. Or perhaps the purely historical figure sculptors are just missing a trick? |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 10 Oct 2015 5:19 a.m. PST |
One last comment – no one is "artificially inflating prices" or price gouging. People are free to price their figures how they want and other people are free to pay those prices or not. It is how economics works…. |
MajorB | 10 Oct 2015 5:54 a.m. PST |
One last comment – no one is "artificially inflating prices" or price gouging. The evidence from Mike Bravo Miniatures above would seem to contradict that statement … |
Mike Bravo Miniatures | 10 Oct 2015 8:35 a.m. PST |
To me it shows historical sculptors should be charging more but that'd mean higher end prices which people don't seem to want to pay. |
MajorB | 10 Oct 2015 9:10 a.m. PST |
To me it shows historical sculptors should be charging more So why don't they? After all, if there is the argument that one is going to sell far more of an historical figure than a fantasy one, then the one-off sculpting cost will have less impact on the total production cost of an historical figure than on the smaller production size of a fantasy figure. Which of course takes us back to the Single Product Break Even Forecast … |
Inkpaduta | 10 Oct 2015 12:14 p.m. PST |
By what I can tell, I am a historical player, prices for 28mm figures have been raising steadily for some time. $3.00 USD for a figure is not unheard of anymore. I would say that Foundry is not the "high end" figures that they used to be. I have cut way back on the number of 28mm I buy simply because I can't afford them. |