| Tango01 | 04 Oct 2015 9:21 p.m. PST |
… A Complete Failure (With A Few Exceptions). "With alarming frequency in recent years, thousands of American-trained security forces in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia have collapsed, stalled or defected, calling into question the effectiveness of the tens of billions of dollars spent by the United States on foreign military training programs, as well as a central tenet of the Obama administration's approach to combating insurgencies. The setbacks have been most pronounced in three countries that present the administration with some of its biggest challenges. The Pentagon-trained army and police in Iraq's Anbar Province, the heartland of the Islamic State militant group, have barely engaged its forces, while several thousand American-backed government forces and militiamen in Afghanistan's Kunduz Province were forced to retreat last week when attacked by several hundred Taliban fighters. And in Syria, a $500 USD million Defense Department program to train local rebels to fight the Islamic State has produced only a handful of soldiers…"
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| 15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 04 Oct 2015 9:24 p.m. PST |
Too bad you can't teach "backbone." |
| kidbananas | 04 Oct 2015 9:42 p.m. PST |
How do the "other guys" do it? Or are they all "foreign fighters"? |
| Gaz0045 | 04 Oct 2015 11:05 p.m. PST |
It's not the training as such, more that you can't give them a reason to fight for their leader/cause etc…. |
| Mako11 | 05 Oct 2015 2:00 a.m. PST |
Well, someone's getting rich off of it. |
| Bangorstu | 05 Oct 2015 6:47 a.m. PST |
Well I think the ANA have backbone – they're still ,after all, fighting and seem to be doing a reasonable job of dying at their posts, if not actually winning. The Iraqis simply lack a government worth dying for. |
| Stryderg | 05 Oct 2015 9:26 a.m. PST |
You would think that, "if you don't kill them, they'll kill your family" would be worth fighting for. But I'm strange that way. |
| Bangorstu | 05 Oct 2015 9:38 a.m. PST |
The troops who run aren't from the areas they run from. They'd rather go home and defend their families… Internally ISIS has had a lot of revolts to deal with. |
| The Hound | 05 Oct 2015 1:07 p.m. PST |
america should reenter iraq and this time take no prisoners of the isis folks and the sadaams men who are helping them. and then split iraq into 3 states. while Russia should take care of isis in syria and show them no quarter |
| PrivateSnafu | 05 Oct 2015 1:20 p.m. PST |
I don't think you can really get the same result training foreigners. The cultures are so different. Constitutional protections, freedom of expression, separation of church and state, equality of people, free markets… Those ideas are so foreign that it just doesn't translate. We have something very special worth fighting for. You absolutely can't teach "backbone" based on our values. The less involvement and supplying of weapons, by us, the better off (in the long run) the situation will be. |
| 15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 05 Oct 2015 2:58 p.m. PST |
The lack of legitimacy is the problem. The Iraqi and Afghan governments are perceived to be installed by America and hence portrayed as puppets of "US imperialism." The government of South Vietnam had the same image issues during and after the Vietnam War. |
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