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49mountain30 Sep 2015 2:16 p.m. PST

I often look at manufacturers catalogs and see 3 inch ordinance rifles referred to as Rodman's or 10 lb rifles, which is incorrect. That and calling the 14 lb James rifles as 10 pounders or 12 pounders. The James rifle that was originally designed to fire the James ammunition was a 14 pounder. It can be distinguished by its blade front sight. Many smoothbores were converted to rifles using the James system of rifling – 15 lands and grooves. While it is true that the 3 inch ordinance rifles and 14 pound James rifles could and did fire shells of various weights, their designations should be the original ones.

HistoryPhD30 Sep 2015 2:40 p.m. PST

3" rifles have been called Rodmans by wargamers for as long as I can remember. Over 40 years

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2015 2:52 p.m. PST

While I have heard/read that also, I've always called them 3" Ordinance Rifles.

Jim

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Sep 2015 3:01 p.m. PST

Ditto for forage caps being called "kepis."

jowady30 Sep 2015 4:16 p.m. PST

I'm with Col Campbell, I've called them 3 inch Ordinance Rifles ever since I read a story about them in a 1967 Civil War Times (cleverly hidden in my Math Work Book). I have seen them called Rodmans and 10 pounders as well but I just ignore that.

batesmotel3430 Sep 2015 4:46 p.m. PST

Seems like the error goes back to the ACW. From wikipedia:

Misnamed as Rodmans[edit]
The 3-inch ordnance rifle and the 4.5-inch siege rifle were frequently misidentified as Rodmans. Neither gun was hollow cast. The 3-inch ordnance rifle was made of hammer welded wrought iron and the 4.5-inch siege rifle was conventionally cast.

This error was not limited to those ignorant of artillery; in November 1864 Brig. Gen. J. M. Brannan, chief of artillery in the Union Department of the Cumberland, described the armament of the Chattanooga forts as including several 3-inch and 4.5-inch Rodman guns.[12] First Lieutenant Henry S. Hurter of the 1st Minnesota Light Artillery Battery wrote in his report to Oscar Malmros, Adjutant General for the State of Minnesota, "On the 5th of March captain Clayton exchanged the old guns, two 12-pound howitzers, and two 6-pound rifled guns, caliber 3.67, for four new rifled 3-inch Rodman's guns." The letter was written on November 11, 1864 in Georgia.[13]

Chris

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