Sloppypainter | 22 Sep 2015 8:45 p.m. PST |
I have looked far and wide for 28mm Plains and Rocky Mountain Indians and have come up woefully short. Seems like everybody does cowboys by the herd, Pinkertons, Texas Rangers, prostitutes, 7th Cav., and even plains infantry but there are very few Indians! Kinda like the Zulu war without the Zulus. I don't like the Old Glory figures or the way they are packaged and that leaves me with few choices it seems. Who are all these cowboys/cavalry/infantry fighting? Am I just overlooking them? Just wanting something 1860 and more recent. |
Pictors Studio | 22 Sep 2015 9:10 p.m. PST |
Foundry has a bunch. link link link Conquest miniatures started making some but didn't get very far. link |
Mako11 | 22 Sep 2015 11:25 p.m. PST |
Cowboys and indians are not PC anymore. |
MajorB | 23 Sep 2015 1:38 a.m. PST |
Most of what we do isn't PC any more! |
Andoreth | 23 Sep 2015 2:59 a.m. PST |
Dixons do individual Indians in their Plains War range link Sadly they are light on pictures. |
Secsesh | 23 Sep 2015 3:10 a.m. PST |
The best variety comes from Early War Miniatures in a larger 1/48 scale – the figures capture unique tribal differences and you can get a very large range of Sioux, Pawnee, Crow and a few Cheyenne, along with family groups, horse herd and US Cavalry. The EWM site only lists the Sioux codes but if you contact them directly they'll send you the full list. The figures will mix with most 40mm figs if you watch the basing – they can even mix with the Black Scorpion 32mm figures. All the weapons are the same size so while the figs might be slightly bigger or smaller they look natural together. I have purchased a few of the EWM figures now and they are nice, realistically proportioned miniatures. |
Kevin C | 23 Sep 2015 5:54 a.m. PST |
Mako 11, I live in Oklahoma and teach at a local University. I have a large number of Indian students (Kiowa, Wichita, Comanche, Apache, Caddo, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Pottawatomie, etc.). In addition, my wargaming friend at work is the Indian Studies professor at the university and a Choctaw Indian. Also my wife is part Cherokee. So I can assure you that "Indian" is a perfectly PC term. Every Indian I know prefers the term Indian to "Native American." As for Cowboy, my in-laws own and operate a large cattle ranch. So as a resident of the land of Cowboys and Indians, I can assure you that the terms "Cowboy and Indian" are perfectly acceptable terms. The only people that tend to be offended by these terms seem to be people who know neither cowboys nor Indians. Kevin C. |
79thPA | 23 Sep 2015 6:43 a.m. PST |
Foundry makes some very nice Plains Indians. |
zippyfusenet | 23 Sep 2015 7:00 a.m. PST |
As has been shown, Sloppy, the Centennial Campaign where Custer got killed and the late Apache wars are well covered. Several manufacturers make 1870s Sioux, Cheyenne and Apaches. You can cast your Western movies. If you have needs for other tribes and eras, let us know what and we'll try to provide. Foundry makes Blackfoot, Conquest makes Comanches, Old Glory makes 'Sauks' who really look more like Osages to me, Pegasus makes 'Mission Indians' who would work as Pueblos or Tohono O'odham…you'll be surprised what's in production. It's a golden age. |
Mister Tibbles | 23 Sep 2015 8:46 a.m. PST |
West Wind makes great Indian characters for skirmish games. I've enjoyed painting them over the years. Most of what we do isn't PC any more! Ain't that the truth! Of course, we could care less what "they" think. LoL I love this meme. It is so true.
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Zargon | 23 Sep 2015 8:59 a.m. PST |
Yeah! All them back east folks with them liberalised ideas :) they knows nutin I tell yahs. Thanks Kevin C, we're saved, playing Ranch hands and Native Americans just doesn't sound so much fun. I've got the Foundry Injuns and they are very nice, just a note their plains tribes from Foundry are slighter than their Blackfoot ones (these are dressed for winter BTW) but both look just grand though I do prefer the plains guys more. What rules are you planning to use? I have the Chris Peers ones which are more for Indian inter rivalry wars, and was looking at Din of Battle (Piquet) for solo as they also have the Plains wars as part of the supplement (need to still get the Master rules for them :(. Cheers and as they say in the movies "Howgh" and to all you true classical American Indians "Oki Ni-Kso-Ko-Wa" |
Bashytubits | 23 Sep 2015 9:47 a.m. PST |
Rafm has a plains war range, although they are really 25mm figures. link |
Inkpaduta | 23 Sep 2015 10:30 a.m. PST |
The diversity for Indians is very limited. basically Apaches and Northern Plains. Many of the Indians War one simply could not because of the lack of figures. Anyone make Modocs? Nez Perce? Utes or Bannocks? How about Sheepeaters? Pawnees as scouts for the army? |
Feet up now | 23 Sep 2015 11:02 a.m. PST |
+5 for Mister Tibbles meme The foundry Indians are very good , shame they do not do the horde apaches anymore . |
zippyfusenet | 24 Sep 2015 4:40 a.m. PST |
Hmm. 500 nations over 2 continents and 500 years…no Inkpaduta, I didn't mean to say that every possible subject has been covered. But some can be reached with a little stretch. For Chief Joseph era Nez Perce, I'd use Northern Plains warriors, while leaving out the dog soldier regalia (sashes, crooked lances, few if any war bonnets). My information is that the Nez Perce had adopted a lot of Plains clothing and hair styles along with the horse, and had lots of trade blankets, 'trade silver' and some other trade goods. In that classic portrait of Chief Joseph, his hair is cut in a Crow pompadour, innit? I'm not so well informed about the high Rocky Mountain tribes. I suppose you're looking for the era when they fought wars with the Americans, not early or pre-contact, before they got trade goods. Did the mountain tribes wear the boot moccasin? If so, you might be able to adapt some Apache figures. I don't know anyone who makes Modocs. Sorry. |
Inkpaduta | 24 Sep 2015 10:17 a.m. PST |
Which is my point zippy. No, of course not every tribe could be done, the over whelming number of tribes never fought against the army in the West. However, there are some very key Indian wars that occurred between 1865 and 1880 few of them have Indian figures for them. I find it funny that we can do over and over again every unit that fought in WWII or the Civil War but can't get one company to make proper Native Americans for the Indian Wars. |
LostPict | 24 Sep 2015 11:10 a.m. PST |
I also have the Foundry Plains Indians, Conquest Commanche, and Dixon Indians – all nice. In fact this past weekend, my daughter's Commanche killed my Captain Nathan Bricker last Saturday night in a little Cowboy and Indian action. Of course, then Rooster Cogburn, gunned down her Commanche chief and there was peace in the game studio for a while. For some Old East action, Eureka makes Powhatan Indians: link |
Sloppypainter | 24 Sep 2015 4:47 p.m. PST |
Seems like Foundry is a good place to start. There are more choices than I thought. Thanks for the replies. I will be using Chris Peers' Too few to fight, too many to die rules for battles between Russia and the Tlingits in Alaska (in 15mm) but want to do small actions -- think The Mountain Men movie with Heston-- using any one of several skirmish rule sets I have. (Likely I will use Chain Reaction.) |