"This Is How China Will Destroy America's F-22 And F-35 " Topic

…Fleets In War.

"With huge numbers of J-11 jets

China's Shengyang J-11 unlicensed derivative of the Russian-developed Su-27 Flanker has become the mainstay of the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). While the Chinese-built jets are not able to match U.S.-built fighters one-for-one, China is building a lot of them.

Down the road, advanced derivatives of the J-11 might become every bit as capable as the most advanced versions of American and allied fourth-generation fighters like the F-15 or F-16.

Even fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters might be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of Chinese jets and the problems associated with the lack of bases in the Western Pacific…"
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Which is why conventional first strike capabilities are so important.

China will attempt to destroy or degrade Pacific airfields and refueling assets immediately. Will the US and allies have the will and ability to do the same to China?

And if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.

The Shenyang J-11 is a very poor copy of the SU-27, which is itself inferior to current gen F-15/16 platforms. The J-11 engine life is less than half the SU-27's and the SU-27 has 1/3rd the engine life of an F-15.

We would hammer back all their sensors.

We had numbers in WWII and won. I do not see any difference with the Chinese. If they can mass produce the aircraft then we know they will have plenty of engines and parts. For the US, ever year we have budget issues and we cut back on spending.

When Clinton got into office the supply situation was so bad items which we should have gotten in a month took 6 months. We stole parts from vehicles that did not work to keep other moving. This shows how low our supply side can be. We have had budget limits for two years now so I suspect we are doing the same thing and keep vehicles moving by using parts from other vehicles.

It won't just be the stealth planes China will have to deal with. The Raptors and Lightning II's will be supplemented by larger numbers of Eagles and Vipers armed to the teeth with AMRAAM's. With data-link they can engage at BVR beyond the reach of Chinese fighters. And if we use B-52's or B-1's from Guam as bulk missile platforms things can get even more interesting.

Conclusion? The Chinese will incur losses even their "huge" numerical advantage can't overcome.

Then again, we could let the Genie out of the bottle.

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currently 230+ J-11 and variants plus 75 actual SU-27s and 75 SU-30s vs. 195 F-22s and 115 F-35s, Sounds like a fun game. Can the Americans shoot all the Chinese planes down before all the F-35s fall out of the sky on their own?

The Shenyang J-11 is a very poor copy of the SU-27, which is itself inferior to current gen F-15/16 platforms.

The J-11B and later versions make up 2/3rd's of their inventory and are long-suspected to be equipped with AESA radars just like those on refitted F-15C's. The F-16 still doesn't have an AESA in service, and the F-15 still lacks an IRST. Yes, Chinese engines suck but avionics is likely to matter much more, and those are comparable enough for planning purposes.

Conclusion? The Chinese will incur losses even their "huge" numerical advantage can't overcome.

More likely the bulk of those losses will be waves and waves of drone-converted 3rd-generation fighters employed specifically to soak up BluFor's supply of AMRAAMs. ( link )

If they attack during hot weather, the F-35s won't be able to take off, since their fuel will be too hot, and won't act as a coolant, properly. Their engines don't work when that happens, and it apparently still hasn't been fixed.

The current workaround is to paint the fuel trucks white, and to park them under "sunshades" to reduce the temperature of them.

F&@%ing crazy, right?

Engine life isn't relevant if you carry spares and make sure you have newish ones fitted when your planes take off…

If we go to war with China, having airfields close enough is going to be the problem. Much like Japan did in WWII, China's manmade islands are giving them more and more of a reach. Our aircraft are going to have to be refueled in order to strike much of the mainland. This is going to limit our strike ability.

If we go to war, those little islets will probably be taken out in the first 30 minutes by sub-launched cruise missiles.

Engine life is *very* significant when engine life issues mean your pilots don't fly much!

Not to mention that the Chinese-built engines spool up much more slowly, which means power changes are slower. F16s proved that rapid throttle changes are a game-changer back in the 1970s.