""Bring Up The Guns" wargame rules" Topic

hello to our US gamers
i'm probably one of the few prophets of playing with the beautiful TSTF rules from the other side of the Atlantic..and would really stich to this systhem also for other conflicts alos because i'm too lazy to read, understand, translate and above all try to teach other systhem to my friends..so..as, among my other interests, i count FPW and Risorgimento i was exploring similar rulebooks frm same author..i understand, from the kind answers i received, here, from Us palyers that have experimented with..that with "Chassepot and Needlegun" i risk to be disappointed..as the systhem is really different..but i was thinking then at "Bring Up the Guns"…is it more familiar?..i play with 28mm and not stands of figure….any suggestions and ideas on this rulesysthem?
many thanks

I think you probably want to talk to the Jackson Gamers, they had a lot of involvement with Larry Brom as he developed his various rules, if I recall things correctly.

Old site:
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New site:
jacksongamers.net

Sorry, I can't offer up much more than that.

Good luck on the search for a set of rules that is familiar.

As far as I recall, none of his other rules are like TSATF. If you like TSATF why not just use that? Write up some stats for the various troops and have a lash.

I was on the playtest team for "Bring Up the Guns". It is designed for large battles with at least three brigades per side, so it isn't a skirmish game like TSATF is.

For the FPW era, for example: each inf. unit is a battalion/regiment (French are eighteen figures, Prussians are 24 figures); each cav. unit of sixteen figures is a regiment; three guns and six crew is a battery.

Since you already play TSATF, you might consider finding a variant that works for you or make one yourself.

Suggest for FPW french are like Boers, Prussians like British. Prussian guns better than French. Not much cavalry.

That way you still use TSATF.

As one of the Jackson Gamers who has used both Chassepot and Needlegun and Bring up the Guns, I offer the following comments:

1. Neither of these rule sets are "skirmishy" like The Sword and the Flame. As coopman stated, they are for big battles with infantry battalion, cavalry regiment, and artillery battery maneuver units. BUTG is a "quick-play" set of rules for convention play that covers the Napoleonic Wars, the American Civil War, and the Franco-Prussian War using different weapons characteristics but similar movement characteristics. C&N is more detailed and includes morale and a different combat system.

2. For a "skirmishy" style of game, then I recommend you follow vstaogames' suggestions. The French chassepot outranged and outperformed the Prussian needlegun so using Boer statistics for the French and British for the Prussians should work OK. You may have to play round with the various weapons ranges and effects until you get what you want. But that is the great think about TSATF, you can modify it however you want as long as it works for you.

3. See our various web sites for battle reports on both C&N and BUTG rules:

jacksongamers.net

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jacksongamers.blogspot.com especially the first post link

Use this link to contact us with other questions:
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Jim

thanks a lot…just what i was looking after..the advice from the men behind who tested the rules…in fact i would follow your suggestions and use TSATF with variations…as i like above the approach idea of Skirmish…maybe, if simulating, a it could be the case, some historical clashes..not only FPW but also risorgimento…maybe i could use those suggested amendments to TSATF and "bathtue" the units..in order to have, with this extreme but funny compromise, an idea of the real things as regards TOES and proportion
thanks again

just one more question please..in case of playing with C&N and BUTG ..the basing approach of single or, at least, couples of minis (i play 28mm so i would like to stick to semi-skirmish type basement..that's say..singles and , in some case, couples for just some close order inf.)could be retained or it could be impossible to adequatly play a game without accepting the stands systhem?