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Druzhina15 Sep 2015 11:42 p.m. PST
Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Sep 2015 1:45 a.m. PST

Sassanids perhaps? Shapur II.

Druzhina16 Sep 2015 6:37 p.m. PST
Skeptic22 Sep 2015 7:36 p.m. PST

Some bronze sculptures of Dian Kingdom cavalry from what is now Yunnan Province, China, also depict something like shoulder tufts, although it is patterned more like shoulder armour or a very short cape. I think that the depicted material may be yak fur, yak tail, or horse mane or tail.

Druzhina23 Sep 2015 2:15 a.m. PST

Skeptic,
Sounds interesting. Do you have a picture?

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GurKhan23 Sep 2015 3:13 p.m. PST

Coins of the Alchon Huns show kings with shoulder-tufts – see link and link

Druzhina23 Sep 2015 8:55 p.m. PST

Coins of the Alchon Huns show kings with shoulder-tufts

The British Museum says:

The plumes issuing from the king's shoulders are probably intended to represent the flame motif used by earlier Kushan and Kushano-Sasanian kings as a divine sign of the right to rule.

This being for rulers seems to fit, only one figure on each side of the Orlat Battle Plaque has shoulder tufts, the Sogdian is identified as a ruler and the Sasanians are probably the Shah or heir. The spherical Sasanian versions aren't very flame-like though.

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GurKhan24 Sep 2015 2:30 a.m. PST

I wondered about the "flames" idea. For a Kushano-Sasanian king with flaming shoulders, see Hormizd I Kushanshah at link

I think, from the way that the Alchon coins show little tubular mounts for the shoulder-tufts, that the artist is actually representing a real physical plume on the shoulder, whereas the Kushan example looks like symbolic or spiritual fires. The two may well be connected, but the question of who influenced whom may depend on what dating of the Orlat plaques you favour.

Incidentally, is it only one warrior on each side of the Orlat plaque who has them? In the army coming from the viewer's right, the man at the top with the axe has shoulder-tufts; but is that also a shoulder-tuft we can see on the top-knotted archer below him, visible under his right armpit? Actually, I see the commentary says "three persons wear a pair of tassels on their shoulders".

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