"The Current State of Russia's Navy" Topic

Apparently, the Russian navy has fallen on hard times, with many vessels being worn out, or in disrepair:

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To make matters worse, it's ship building program has fallen apart, and some important components are no longer being supplied by Ukraine, due to the Russian-backed guerrilla war there, and the seizure of Crimea.

The Russians reached out to have France build a couple of amphibious landing vessels for them, but that deal was cancelled due to the illegal occupation of Crimea, and military actions in Eastern Ukraine.

The latest rumor I've heard is that Russia may look to work with China, or vice versa, to build a number of aircraft carriers for their fleet(s).

Russia wants parts made in Ukraine… Would be funny to see Vhina approach Ukraine instead of Russia

Aren't they doing joint naval maneuvers? Maybe just a ploy for China to see what condition the Russian navy is in.

There was an article about a year ago where a journalist was allowed on several Russian ships during a patrol. No plumbing or electricity in parts of the ships, CIC was out, no heating ini certain areas, and the electronics hadn't been upgraded in decades. The article linked here isn't a big surprise.

'At present, the Russian naval fleet is no match for the faster, stronger and more comfortable crafts owned and operated by the U.S., the Chinese and several European states.'

Those last three words are telling. As I've said previously, Russia spends less than the UK and France combined, so the apparent 'strength' of the Russians compared to Europe must be more apparent than real – this article suggests that for the Navy this is definitely true.

I had written that the only reason why China and Russia hold joint maneuvers is to spy on each other.

China's participants in the maneuvers, missile frigates, just happen to be up for sale to the Russian navy.

As long as the Russian navy has a few operable nukes that can launch missiles it is still a force.

I worry that China and Russia each think they have the upper hand. Any joint manoeuvres are likely to be closely guarded from the other, as is the true state of their respective fleets. What I worry about is when one decides it is significantly enough ahead to play that card

I've also read the space between the decks on their carrier is quite short, so apparently much like their tanks, they are only build for short people to operate.

Don't know if that is really true, but suspect it probably is.

Russia, China and Iran's economies all need oil to be above $100.00 USD a barrel. So how do you think they are REALLY doing? The Russian fleet can join their submarines, rusting at the bottom of the harbor.

Why does China $100 USD a barrel oil. It seems they would do better with it being cheaper?

While not false the article basicly only focuses on "big ships" and carriers. In fact the Russians are happily constructing smaller combatants in the shape of frigate sized "corvettes" and destroyer sized "frigates" in their baltic ship yards which have never depended on the Ukraine for any of their parts.

For some reason these "the Russian navy is a rusting piece of junk" articles always ignores the Blatic fleet and it's associated shipyards even though the Baltic fleet has recieved many of the new ships as well as being the fleet which is in best condition with frequent exercises on a large scale. While it is never going to be able to challenge US command of the oceans it is not meant to do so, what it can do is cause a lot of trouble in the Baltic when combined with existing Russian air and missile forces.

Actually, I suspect the Chinese would prefer $10 USD a barrel oil, since they pretty much import all of theirs.

Sorry I typed too fast and included China when I wanted to omit her from the equation. China would, indeed, want cheap oil.