| tberry7403 | 26 Aug 2015 10:39 a.m. PST |
Has anyone seen this? YouTube link If this is a repost I apologize. |
| JimDuncanUK | 26 Aug 2015 11:04 a.m. PST |
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| SBminisguy | 26 Aug 2015 12:59 p.m. PST |
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| Navy Fower Wun Seven | 26 Aug 2015 1:28 p.m. PST |
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| Who asked this joker | 26 Aug 2015 3:26 p.m. PST |
That was terrific! Thanks for the link! |
| Dan Wideman II | 26 Aug 2015 3:49 p.m. PST |
That was interesting, and seems supported by the data, but I'd be interested in figuring out where the idea that the Sherman was terrible came from. He only covers that briefly in a sentence or two at the end. Everything I've seen hand read has even those who used them disliking them. That has to be accounted for somehow. |
| hagenthedwarf | 26 Aug 2015 4:36 p.m. PST |
Everything I've seen hand read has even those who used them disliking them. Then you have not seen enough; British crews thought them better than most British designed tanks, albeit it needed the 17pdr gun to give it anti-armour punch. Of course if you came up against a Panther you were non too impressed but this overlooks the poor serviceability of German tanks compared to American. |
| vtsaogames | 26 Aug 2015 5:48 p.m. PST |
Russian crews liked their lend lease Shermans, thought they were luxurious. |
| elsyrsyn | 26 Aug 2015 6:42 p.m. PST |
I've seen it a few times. It's interesting, but more interesting to me were the inside the tank videos the team from World of Tanks produces that popped up as suggestions when I watched it. Those are way cool. Doug |
Marc33594  | 27 Aug 2015 8:37 a.m. PST |
Try Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks: The World War II Memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union Dmitriy Loza" translated and edited by James F Gebhardt. Indeed the Russian crew liked their Shermans! |
| raylev3 | 27 Aug 2015 8:30 p.m. PST |
I discovered the three times the Americans came across Tiger Tanks 1. Kelly's Heroes
2. Fury
3. Saving Private Ryan |
| Martin Rapier | 28 Aug 2015 12:05 a.m. PST |
Don't forget Band of Brothers! And Battle of the Bulge and Anzio, even if they were M47s on both occasions. In the Goodwood sequence for They Were Not Divided, the production team managed to rustle up a working Tiger 1, and one of the Guards Armoured officers was American… |
| Oddball | 28 Aug 2015 12:45 p.m. PST |
This is from World of Tanks, and this guy is from that group. That tells me it is crap for historical accuracy. He says that US tanks only engaged Tiger I tanks from D-Day to the fall of Germany only 3 times. World of Clown Cars. |
| hagenthedwarf | 28 Aug 2015 1:40 p.m. PST |
That tells me it is crap for historical accuracy.He says that US tanks only engaged Tiger I tanks from D-Day to the fall of Germany only 3 times. Care to demonstrate your knowledge by explaining when American troops DID fight Tiger I tanks? AFAIK the only time Americans fought them was in Tunisia and at Anzio; in Normandy they were deployed against the British. |
| Jemima Fawr | 29 Aug 2015 5:25 a.m. PST |
The US forces were not faced by Tigers in Normandy. They encountered a handful of Tiger IIs belonging to Panzer-Kompanie (Funklenk) 301 during the breakout from Normandy. These were prototype radio-control vehicles that had spent the Normandy campaign on railway flat-cars, before finally being pressed into service as tanks just as the Americans overran their position – not exactly elite panzertruppen… The Americans also encountered a handful isolated Tiger Is & IIs during the crossing of the Seine and advance into Belgium. The Tiger Is were survivors from the three Tiger battalions that had been fighting the British and Canadians in Normandy (101st SS, 102nd SS & 503rd), while the Tiger IIs were reinforcements for the 101st SS and 503rd Tiger Battalions that had become isolated during the collapse of German resistance in France. I can't think of any examples of formed Tiger units being encountered by US forces – just single Tigers. |
| Marc33594 | 29 Aug 2015 10:27 a.m. PST |
501st with kampfgruppe Piper comes to mind as far as the IIs. But very limited and rare for the US to face a Tiger. |
| gamershs | 30 Aug 2015 9:50 p.m. PST |
I was looking at the Russian TO&E and some of the Russian Guards tank units replaced T34/85s with Shermans. One of the biggest advantage to the Sherman was it's reliability. If you are going to advance 500 miles the Shermans can make it where most of the Russian tanks may need some R&R to make it. |
| Weasel | 02 Sep 2015 3:35 p.m. PST |
The whole "Shermans were terrible" thing tends to come from some sort of assumption that every German tank was a Panther or Tiger. |
| Mark 1 | 04 Sep 2015 10:26 p.m. PST |
This is from World of Tanks, and this guy is from that group.That tells me it is crap for historical accuracy.
Wargaming.net (parent company of World of Tanks) has sponsored more high-quality historical research than any university in world over the past several years. It is amazing the amount of good quality work that they have sponsored in the US, western Europe, Japan, and the former Soviet Union (mostly Russia, but also Ukraine and Byelorus). That includes not only tanks (for World of Tanks), but also aircraft (World of Warplanes) and ships (World of Warships).
He says that US tanks only engaged Tiger I tanks from D-Day to the fall of Germany only 3 times.
Well, yes he "says" it. But he also "sources" his comment. That particular comment, that US tanks only engaged Tigers on 3 documented occasions, came originally from Steve Zaloga. You got a better source for WW2 US Armor? An example of the kinds of work World of Tanks sponsored was this discussion, which gathered 6 of the most well known and well reputed historians and authors (American and British)on WW2 armor in one panel discussion:
link It's a lot of video content -- about 2 hours of discussion. But the thread in the link provides some indexing of some of the more interesting comments. It's an un-paralleled set of videos if you are a WW2 tank history buff. -Mark
(aka: Mk 1 or Mark 1 on most fora, or Mark 2 on WoT) |
experiments to find a better way to mount aircraft for wargaming.