""Out of time" Early Tudors" Topic

Looking to build a small force of early Tudor English (Flodden era) to battle my friend's smug new "Age of Siegfried and Roy Skullcast Ephemerals TM."

I'm already going to use the dixon English. I'm considering using the Perry renaissance heads to swap out the heads that come with their WoTR plastics. Any other suggestions for bowmen/billmen/dismounted men at arms? What if I wanted to throw in mounted MAA? Perry WoTR or are there alternatives? Would the Assault Group's Tudor English be a bit late for an early 16thC force? Thanks for your views gentlemen.

Assault group are spot on for early 16th century

So people use Perry basically as a cheaper alternative?

Flodden is one of my interests. Despite having a 15mm Scots army I've toyed from time to time with getting both sides in 28mm. I know aren't we all mad! My plan (or dream) for the English is Perry WOTR plastics and renaissance heads. The rational behind that is although Flodden was nearly 30 years after the end of the WOTR its the English from the northern counties who participate (i.e. they seem to have ended up with the left overs whilst Henry VIII went off to France). I'm not familiar with Assault Group so can't really comment. It might be that range better suits Henry's expedition. But as they say you pay your money and take your choice and one reason for Perry plastics is of course the cost compared with metal. But not the only reason Jeeves as I think it would give a reasonably realistic army (that my wallet could bear!).

Just to add to the above. The following may assist …
Nial Barr's book on Flodden says (p52) "Henry VIII sailed to France with an army of 24,000 men, comprising the best of his men-at-arms, archers, billmen and artillery train. He had also hired large numbers of foreign mercenaries … (including) 6,000 pike armed landsknechts. Meanwhile, the Earl of Surrey … was left with the forces of the north of England which were raised, armed and equipped in an entirely traditional way. The English army which fought at Flodden looked decidedly second-rate and behind the times".

Hello Jeeves, it's definitely something worth considering. I have the Army that sailed to France and used a Perry / Foundry mix with a few conversions. I'm working on the French now but have a look at some of the early posts in my blog to see the development from the thought of using plastics to a completed army;

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The urge to convert the figures and latterly to sculpt additions to them have increased my skills no end and I daresay if there was a dedicated range for the 1513 campaigns I'd have lost out on a lot of fun and experience.

Good luck

Stuart

The TAG figure are 1540s rather than 1515.

As both you and Aubrey observed, the Perrys' plastic figures should fit the bill for you… (sorry about that!)

When I considered this (last year) I was going to use the Perrys and went as far as making up a few figures (which never got painted). I believe that the Perrys also do some metal Tudor heads for full effect.

The problem seems to be for the English more a case of what is the Bill/Bow split than what figures to use…

There is an excellent thread on the ratios of the different troop types in WotR armies, here on LAF:-

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It's a bit long, but well worth persevering; despite the title, the thread makes occasional references to the Tudor period for comparisons. One of the points it brings out, is that there is a noticeable difference between "home" armies and "away" armies – those raised for foreign service have much higher ratios of "missile infantry" to "melee infantry". There are also some very good insights into how and why archery didn't decimate the opposition without the need to engage in melee.

Thanks SM, I'll have a read of that thread..