Tango01 | 14 Aug 2015 12:57 p.m. PST |
… George R.R. Martin says. "George R.R. Martin hasn't written Game of Thrones' ending yet, but he has some ideas in mind inspired by the melancholy in The Lord of the Rings, the author told The Observer. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire novels serve as the basis for HBO's Game of Thrones series. The high fantasy world in each is often shocking and bleak. But he doesn't intend to end with a "horrible apocalypse," as the interviewer characterized some expectations. "I've said before that the tone of the ending that I'm going for is bittersweet," Martin said. "I mean, it's no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it's a bittersweet victory. Frodo is never whole again, and he goes away to the Undying Lands, and the other people live their lives."…" Full text here link Amicalement Armand |
darthfozzywig | 14 Aug 2015 1:25 p.m. PST |
George R.R. Martin hasn't written Game of Thrones' ending yet, but he has some ideas in mind inspired by the melancholy No surprises here: 1. He's making it up as he goes now and 2. It's ain't gonna be happy. |
RavenscraftCybernetics | 14 Aug 2015 1:38 p.m. PST |
if you think this will have a happy ending, you havnt been paying attention. |
sneakgun | 14 Aug 2015 4:22 p.m. PST |
It will take place after 4 or 5 more books of characters bumping into each other, killing, raping, torturing for no real reason until some unknown is the last person standing. |
Who asked this joker | 14 Aug 2015 4:51 p.m. PST |
It will take place after 4 or 5 more books of characters bumping into each other, killing, raping, torturing for no real reason until some unknown is the last person standing. That's kinda how I see it. Or, a meteor falls from the sky just as evil is about to "win" and wipes everything out except Bravos. |
tberry7403 | 14 Aug 2015 5:46 p.m. PST |
… if you think this will have a happy ending… It will be what my father called "A Russian Comedy". In the end everyone dies. |
jowady | 14 Aug 2015 7:23 p.m. PST |
Every reader has suffered through 5 books filled with rape and torture and brutality. They deserve a little satisfaction, but it's obvious that Martin isn't going to deliver. First they expanded this story from 3 books to 7 without actually expanding the narrative and now the TV series will ruin the ending such as it will be. |
Tango01 | 15 Aug 2015 11:32 a.m. PST |
Where is John the OFM?… (smile) Amicalement Armand |
Bandolier | 15 Aug 2015 12:01 p.m. PST |
The Iron Bank always get their money… |
Goonfighter | 16 Aug 2015 2:35 p.m. PST |
This is what you get when a writer decides to subvert the cliches of the genre. Problem is that some of those cliches are why we enjoy the genre. And after book one, did anyone really expect a happy ending? |
Thomas Thomas | 18 Aug 2015 8:17 a.m. PST |
If people are so freaked out by the occasional brutality that occurs in the books (though no where near the extent claimed and certainly less than many historical periods), why do they keep reading? I think Sword of Shanara is still in print if you want everything lollypops and apple pie. A bittersweet ending can mean many things (as in Lord of the Rings or World War II from Poland's perspective). I'll be very interested in seeing how Martin works it out – he tends to use standard tropes but in new ways. Not as interested in how D&D try to condense and sensationalize Martin's work. Though I do think even with 8 seasons they may get the first crack at a finish. TomT |
Crazyivanov | 23 Oct 2015 7:39 a.m. PST |
Thomas Thomas, I think this is a major problem with not only Song of Ice and Fire fans but Dark Fantasy fans in general. EVERYTHING has to be DARK or else its SILLY or JUVENILE. That's not a very good model for "realism" or quality. Sometimes Game of Thrones( and I refer to the Tv series as that's the only thing that will ever be finished) uses violence in a mature, shocking, or realistic fashion. Such as the Seige of Kingslanding, or The Red Wedding. Other times its just DARK for the sake of DARK. That's not maturity, a bittersweet ending, or realism. That's just cynicism. |
Thomas Thomas | 29 Oct 2015 10:38 a.m. PST |
Crazy: I agree that sometimes the TV serias uses violence to just "blacken" the story (though not nearly as bad as the Walking Dead franchise). Martin also packs every bad thing that happened in the Middle Ages into one dynasty (except the bubonic plague so I guess it could get worse). But one of the awful things about real world violence it that it is so random (your village just happens to be in the path of a hungery army, you go to a theater in Colorado to watch a movie…) Which generates fear then manipulated by those who want power – all part of Martin's themes. Nevertheless at his heart Martin is a romantic. So we get a fallen prince (Theon) rescuing a princess (though in the book a fake one). The cirumstances are quite different than in "traditional" fantasy but the theme is the same. Like traditional fairy tales light is contrasted with dark. Everything is not dark in Ice and Fire. Dany has destroyed several slaver empires – but struggles to rule. Jon Snow (considered too goody two shoes by many fans) remains pure to his convictions but suffers for it (its hardly any character strength to be true to convictions because its the easiest path and never causes anything bad to happen). Martin has promised that the ending will be bitter sweet (like life) somehow right will out – but oh the cost. His work transends Dark Fantasy (though look to his imitators to not catch this aspect of his work). TomT |
Crazyivanov | 02 Nov 2015 6:09 p.m. PST |
Tom: I dearly hope so. I have generally enjoyed the Game of Thrones/ Song of Ice and Fire, mainly for the politics and ancillary characters, Lord Rosby you may be dead but your lingering cough will always be in my heart, but often I don't see much good coming out of it, or worse, the good being actively wiped away. Take for example the true King of Westeros, Stannis Baratheon, in the books he is a grim but moral Lord in an impossible situation that GENERALLY makes the right decisions in the end. This is the reason why, with the annihilation of House Stark, much of the "Traditional Fantasy" fans have gravitated to "Stannis the Mannis". Then, out of the clouded Northern Sky, suddenly Stannis sacrifices his daughter. This was only done to make the series DARK and to give Traditional Fantasy fans a kick in the Crown Jewels. This sort of immature, edge lord, writing is what makes me somewhat dubious about Martin et al having the strength of character and emotional maturity to right an actual bitter sweet ending, as opposed to DARK and SUBVERSIVE drivel. Again I dearly hope I am mistaken. |
steam flunky | 04 Dec 2015 6:01 a.m. PST |
To tell the truth the only real surprise here is that he seems to believe there will be an ending!! Good,bad,bittersweet or whatever, i dont expect ever to see an ending. |
Royston Papworth | 06 Dec 2015 7:34 a.m. PST |
My problem with this is that it is so long since I finished the last book, I lose track of the details. Unlike LotR, I doubt I'll go back to re-read them, I may watch the TV series again. After all it is much quicker to watch a season than read the books. Once the TV series gives me an ending, I am not even sure I'll carry on buying the books…like most other people, I don't expect the books will ever be finished… |