"'Marine casulaties' (not USMC)" Topic
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Ed Mohrmann | 11 Aug 2015 7:32 a.m. PST |
I have run across the phrase 'marine casualties…' in several USN reports of the WWII era, usually mentioning 'marine casualties' as the cause of sinking or damage to Japanese Merchant shipping, as here: "Marine casualties account for damage to Japanese merchant tankers No.8 Nankai Maru at 36°54'N, 126°12.5'E and tanker Nanki Maru 300 miles off Bontensen." IDK what the phrase means. Perhaps damage to engines or other equipment induced as the result of wear, poor maintenance, etc.? Can anyone explain ? |
Just Jack | 11 Aug 2015 7:38 a.m. PST |
Maybe running aground on uncharted reefs, etc…? V/R, Jack |
Leadpusher | 11 Aug 2015 8:20 a.m. PST |
Maybe dead fish or whales? |
bc1745 | 11 Aug 2015 8:52 a.m. PST |
link This site has a whole list of marine Casulties ….check out the list on the left, is contemporary and not wwii but it would appear that they include the types of things already mention, engine fires etc Bc1745 |
haywire | 11 Aug 2015 8:56 a.m. PST |
I think it means Marine like we say Merchant Marine. Looks like the No.8 Nankai Maru was borrowed into service for the Imperial Navy. link |
Ed Mohrmann | 11 Aug 2015 10:38 a.m. PST |
I found another USN report which does have a sort of definition of 'marine casualties' and also involves another Nankai Maru (number 5 tanker). Apparently a much used name in the Japanese Mercnant Marine. "Japanese merchant tanker No.5 Nanki Maru is sunk by marine casualty, 34°18'N, 141°25'E. Marine casualties (most likely groundings or storms) account for damage to cargo ship Awa Maru between Hakodate and Yokohama, and cargo vessel Annette" This report from 2 July 1945. Also found a June, 1945 report on USN assets: 67,000 plus ships and vessels, over 4,000,000 personnel (Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard) thanks for the info, folks |
Col Durnford | 11 Aug 2015 12:30 p.m. PST |
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Charlie 12 | 12 Aug 2015 12:08 a.m. PST |
A marine casualty is defined as: A marine casualty means an event, or a sequence of events, that has resulted in any of the following which has occurred directly in connection with the operations of a ship: .1 the death of, or serious injury to, a person; .2 the loss of a person from a ship; .3 the loss, presumed loss or abandonment of a ship; .4 material damage to a ship; .5 the stranding or disabling of a ship, or the involvement of a ship in a collision; .6 material damage to marine infrastructure external to a ship, that could seriously endanger the safety of the ship, another ship or an individual; or .7 severe damage to the environment, or the potential for severe damage to the environment, brought about by the damage of a ship or ships. However, a marine casualty does not include a deliberate act or omission, with the intention to cause harm to the safety of a ship, an individual or the environment. Basically, an accident… |
Ed Mohrmann | 12 Aug 2015 4:36 a.m. PST |
Thanks, coastal2. So, anything not a deliberate act. |
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