"What can you see in this picture?" Topic

Here it goes:

Lluís
www.minairons.eu

Pz 1 with a T-26 turret? odd.

Picture was taken by the end of Spanish Civil War, in Barcelona's Diagonal Avenue after this town occupation by the Nationalists in 1939. Our odd tank is followed by several 'normal' Panzer I ausf. A and preceded by a turretless T-26.

1:1 scale kit bashing.

And it appears to be towing a wheeled trailer!

The "trailer" rather looks like a 37mm PAK….

and a spoon

Any chance it's a T-26 parked directly behind a turretless PZI?

No it's definitely on the chassis – I'm guessing spot welded on as a training vehicle of some sort – I don't see how they could properly fit a turret ring to take it.

It could be a field modification to allow the PzI to shoot at enemy tanks--a sort of precursor to the PzJg I?

Rob

Makes more sense than taking a T-26 and welding a PzI turret onto it …

Totally missed the turret swap but noticed the towed wheel carriage straight away

It's a like any early, DIY PzJg Ib:

Strange indeed. A bit off topic but it's not the first picture I've seen of a T-26 turret on another tank.

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An R35 isn't the same as a Pz I of course.

I see a girl with big …

Wait, there in the trees. Its Elanor Roosevelt!

T-26 mod. 1933 . That looks like the turret, but what is with the extra wheel behind? Is it an added drive train to support the weight?

Wouldn't be the same woman then…

what is with the extra wheel behind?

No, Dom's right, it's a 37mm PAK 36, apparently being towed by the PzI/T26 hybrid. You can just make out the distinctive top of the gun shield over its rear fender.

The R-35 with T26 turret was a real prototype done by German and Rumanian engineers in order to try and upgrade Rumania's tank fleet. It proved too expensive and time consuming and they opted for just welding the T-26 mantlet and gun onto the R-35 turret.

I don't see how a T-26 turret could possibly fit onto a PzKpfw.I, unless as a non-rotating jury-rig.

If the turret cannot move at all it must be almost impossible to aim. Aiming would have to be done by the driver by moving the tank. But the driver cannot see how the gun is aimed. I would say a almost useless conversion unless used against fixed positions and no threat against the tank itself.

Fascinating photo, Lluis. Made me wonder if these conversions actually saw action or were cobbled together for the parade?

If the turret cannot move at all it must be almost impossible to aim. Aiming would have to be done by the driver by moving the tank. But the driver cannot see how the gun is aimed. I would say a almost useless conversion unless used against fixed positions and no threat against the tank itself.

Guess you could say almost the same about all those WW2 jagdpanzers, stugs, su-85s and other self-propelled AT vehicles although they had limited traverse. No idea what system the crews had to use with that limitation. The British Archer SP vehicle had the gun facing backwards so the driver was looking in the opposite direction entirely!

Oh great. Now WoT is probably going to add the T-26 turret and 45mm M32 gun to the research tree for the Pz. 1 and we'll wind up with 50mph speedsters with potent AT firepower running around in every frikkin' battle!

And btw, aiming a gun by turning a vehicle is a LOT different than pointing a gun by turning a vehicle. Yes a StuG or SU-85 driver had to get the gun lined up in the general direction the TC wanted, but that's 5 seconds of work. Getting on gun actually layed on to a target, with 2 or 3m circle-of-error accuracy at 500 or 750m, by using clutch and brake steering? No thank you! You'll spend half an hour trying to do that even IF you have a gunsite on your driver's scope.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Agreed; Assault guns do have some gun traverse. I'm not sure a tracked vehicle can have that fine a handling "2 cm left"

That's why I suggested training vehicle earlier – SPATs aimed solely by vehicle traverse have been tried a few times (anyone for the Jagdchieftain?), and invariably failed even with far more sophisticated steering than a Panzer I driver could dream of – you absolutely need at least a few degrees of traverse for aiming. The only reason I can think of for fitting it is troop familiarisation – sticking the T-26 turret on gives an "enemy" silhouette – kind of like the NTC's fake BMPs and suchlike.

There is a turretless T-26 directly to the front. The'photo' wraps around the back of the book and it just so happens that the T-26 hull is on the corner and would be only half in view when you look at the cover. Given the tonal contrast between the T-26 turret and the following Pz I turrets I suspect an bit on cloning going on. For sure the smoke and fire effect has been added afterwards.

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By George, I think he's got it!

Just checked it all out via Google Street View and I can confirm the book cover has been altered. . . . . '

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. . . ………..Everything inside the red lines below( where the turret is on the orignal) has been cloned from the building to the left and it should not obscure the background building. It is 100% a fake. . . . . . . . .

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It deems to me to be a couple of tanks with "Turrets" Syndrome.

grooooaan…