Wealdmaster | 04 Aug 2015 7:58 a.m. PST |
I like my Empire heraldry book but can't think of why GW never made a book like this for Bretonnia given that this is the land of heraldry. I wonder if anyone knows of any White Dwarf issue or some online article that would have covered this? |
John the OFM | 04 Aug 2015 8:43 a.m. PST |
In the only edition I collected, 5th, it looked very French. A lot of fleurs de lys, etc. So, go with French heraldry. It's certainly colorful. |
Wealdmaster | 04 Aug 2015 9:19 a.m. PST |
Thanks, I have the 6th/7th edition army codex which I think is the most recent. The heraldry in there is not too impressive by actual standards. I will look for 5th edition book too. |
Garand | 04 Aug 2015 9:55 a.m. PST |
The 5th ed book had a nice section about Bret heraldry, worth picking up if you like this faction. Damon. |
Griefbringer | 04 Aug 2015 10:44 a.m. PST |
You might also want to look at books on historical medieval European heradlry for added inspiration – there are some interesting ideas to be found there. As for actual GW material, the 5th edition Bretonnian book certainly has lots of material. There was also once a brief article in WD in the 3rd edition days (around issue 138 or so) but in those days Bretonnian heraldry tended to be a bit tuned down compared to the later material. |
Dave Jackson | 04 Aug 2015 11:20 a.m. PST |
I have some heraldry files I can send you if you wish. David.Jackson2@ec.gc.ca |
Banned for Hating Trolls | 04 Aug 2015 12:33 p.m. PST |
I actually agree with OMF here. I based the heraldry of my Brettonian army (now long since sold ) off of Medieval French examples. Well, that and a few of the devices of some of my SCA friends mixed in…. Get a copy of Ian Heath's "Armies of the Middle Ages volume 1". There should be enough examples of French heraldry in there to emblazon the shields of more knights than you are likely to field in a Warhammer army. |
CeruLucifus | 04 Aug 2015 2:17 p.m. PST |
I started Warhammer with a 5th edition Brets army. That army book had a whole section on heraldry. I scanned most of the blazons for making pennants for my knight's lances as I couldn't find the equivalent online at the time. (No I don't think I saved those scans.) The later army book (6th/7th) didn't have the same section although it did discuss heraldic concepts. It also dropped green from the list of field colors. (So field/background colors were black, red, blue and metal/foreground colors were white/silver and yellow/gold.) I assumed at the time this was so the Green Knight special character model would stand out more. So if you want a Bretonnian heraldry resource, find the 5th edition book. As mentioned it is simplified French although there are some specific meanings. The Fleur De Lys in 5th was the symbol of Questing Knights. In 6th/7th this was dropped and Questing Knights became knights carrying literal baggage with 2-handed swords (the premise being as lone wanderers they carried their gear with them and couldn't keep repairing lances). So the Fleur De Lys is available to any knight now as I recall, though I imagine it has some other meaning (favor of the Lady or something). The Grail or chalice of course is the symbol of Grail Knights though in 6th/7th any pious knight might also use it as a device (e.g., Questing for example). That's all I remember. Away from my books for a few days so can't check directly. |
Brian Smaller | 04 Aug 2015 3:53 p.m. PST |
I have a real mix of heraldry in my Bretonnian army. That alone was one of the things that sold me on it. I just researched heraldy online and then gave up when I realised my freehand heraldry was totally crappy Then I found a guy who made awesome Bretonnian shield transfers. link Cheers Brian |
wizbangs | 11 Aug 2015 6:28 a.m. PST |
I conducted all of my heraldry research online, saved images of the shields I wanted, scaled them down and applied the paper "cover" to the shields with white glue rather than getting transfers made. Of course, this only works for the men-at-arms, mounted squires and dismounted Knights (yes, I felt such a unit was necessary for my campaigning armies). I'll have them made into transfers once I get to the horse barding. |
3rd Foot and Mouth | 12 Aug 2015 5:56 p.m. PST |
Almost all of the 'Bretonnian' miniatures in the 3rd edition Warhammer Armies book were historical 15th century stand-ins: The Tilean Crossbowmen were Swiss mercenaries from the Uri Canton. The Ribaulds were led by the Earl of Warwick. The Villiens wore the livery of Edward IV but were led by the Earl of Oxford. The Duc de Paravon, Marshall of the Grand Army of Bretonnia was Charles the Bold. |
Barin1 | 13 Aug 2015 5:20 a.m. PST |
My Bretonnians were from Border Princes, so they had all types of heraldry – real and imaginary.
The whole gallery, if you're interested… link |
wizbangs | 13 Aug 2015 5:23 a.m. PST |
Wow! That's some elaborate paint & nicely done models Barin! |