"Upcoming Flames of War - Cold War Gone Hot Team" Topic

… Yankee Wargame.

"Battlefront Miniatures: Welcome to an exclusive sneak peak at the new Flames of War era. Back in February JP talked about Cold War Gone Hot as the new period for Flames of War this year, well it seems details are starting to come out and we have a name for this exciting new period…"

See here
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Amicalement
Armand

Alas, no real new info.

Sparker mentions on another site that this is purely a draft image. Not concerned much with the engagement ranges but the presence of Sov inf, BMP-2 and a T-72. It would be a shame to ruin the impact with any inaccuracies in the box artwork!

Tally Ho!

Not to mention those Soviets are somehow managing to escape that burning deathtrap.
still it would be nice to have another option for company-battalion level actions

does'nt sound like fun to me…mean to say:

this m1 is firing at that t-72.
ok, a hit.
no pen roll needed, its destoyed…

Yep, looking forward to this. 1985 I think is a good year to go with, no Apaches, (especially D's!) or upgraded M1's to keep things interesting, hopefully.

Color me interested. That image reminds me of some of the early artwork for G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, circa 1982. Nostalgic.

> That image reminds me of some of the early artwork for G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero

I *KNEW* there was something making my stomach churn when I saw that picture. FOW as GI Joe gaming? Truth in advertising is good!

I'd totally play that. Reminds me of the Joe board game I had when I was a kid. Hell, half the gaming I do now I'm secretly playing with Joes in my mind.

Actually, in 1985, with upgraded armor on the T-72s, the 105mm won't penetrate it, as was shown in post-Cold War testing.

Of course, I'm not sure that applies to all of the T-72 variants.

However, all that is moot, since really, the Soviets field T-64s and T-80s anyway (only the WARPAC allies field the T-72s – see prior TMP discussions on that – hopefully, BF is aware of this too, and will release the right modern tanks first, for the Soviets).

If the ruskies have some hinds…..I'm all over that like moose on squirrel

"Actually, in 1985, with upgraded armor on the T-72s, the 105mm won't penetrate it, as was shown in post-Cold War testing."

Mako, do you have a source for that? It's really interesting and I'd like to read more about it.

While researching cold war and post cold war weapon vs armor data I've seen information that's wildly inconsistent. The problem is that such data is often classified anyway and publically available information is spotty, incomplete, and not consistent in assumptions or reference points.

Anecdotal evidence makes things even more confusing. I've seen everything from "current 120mm guns can't hurt an A rams from point blank range" to "the Israelis encountered so many advanced and highly effective AT weapons in Lebenon that the MBT is a dead concept".

And of course there's the issue that "armor thickness" isn't helpful in game design above a certain level of detail. Most games abstract armor vs gun stats such that just because BITS of an MBT are impervious to certain weapons doesn't mean the entire front is impervious. So you need to start making hard decisions about cut off points for various gun v armor combos.

I was playing Cold War with micro-armor before changing gears to 15mm FOW. This release could seriously disrupt my game plans.

I hope they include stats for the other main NATO allies too – I'd be all over some Brit Chieftains and Challenger Is…