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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2015 12:28 p.m. PST

So if you google roman reenactment or try and find a roman scutum for reenactment.

They are all early empire.

Sure they got cool armor but thats it.

Why are nobody reenacting mid republican romans? those are the ones that fought pyrrhus and Hannibal, when rome actually had propper enemies!!!

Can't find scutum or helmet for that period, I can find chainmail but that was about the same as the ones used by late republican so I guess thats why.

No chance of finding say the bronse plate used by hastati. I guess you can use greek bronse muscle armor to recreate early period triarii ect.

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut02 Aug 2015 12:48 p.m. PST

To do re-enacting, you need enemy re-enactors as well. Maybe there are more Gallic re-enactors than Carthaginians. Besides, Naked Gallic Fanatic is a much less expensive costume…

Bellbottom02 Aug 2015 1:09 p.m. PST

Most re-enactors make their own kit, and don't buy it 'off the peg'. Many groups can depict the full gamut of equipment/uniform from early to Late Roman, others specialise in one period. One of the groups fairly local to me does mostly 3rd Century AD.

Dogged02 Aug 2015 1:20 p.m. PST

In Spain there is republican Roman reenactment. And Iberians of course, even slingers. Scutums, mail, helmets, etc…

Example:
link

Allen5702 Aug 2015 1:36 p.m. PST

Because we love Democrats?

goragrad02 Aug 2015 2:38 p.m. PST

Lorica segmentata is a lot easier to make.

Even close link mail is a killer and riveted is mind numbing.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2015 2:52 p.m. PST

Well there are no roman reenactors in norway (barely any reenactors of any kind)

I just want to dress up as a republican roman, and invade the next county over.

Dan 05502 Aug 2015 3:00 p.m. PST

Roman early empire is iconic, republic is not.

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2015 3:03 p.m. PST

I think re-enactors are usually re-enacting personal history. Most of the Roman re-enactors with websites are in Britain, and Britain wasn't occupied by Romans until the Imperial period.

Personally, I'd like to see more re-enactments of ancient galleys…

- Ix

Moe Ronn02 Aug 2015 4:09 p.m. PST

"I told you guys last time, you can't ALL come as Triarii."

gamershs02 Aug 2015 7:34 p.m. PST

It is one thing to "die" on the battlefield it is another to "sink" in an ancient galley. The ancient galley can REALLY SINK and can take it's crew down with it (any ancient life preservers anyone).

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut02 Aug 2015 8:28 p.m. PST

Oddly enough, the subject of cosplay came up today with my wife. I floated the idea of me dressing as a gallic fanatic. It was all good until she googled it.

Darn you, google!

Patrick R02 Aug 2015 9:16 p.m. PST

I guess it's the same reason why we find "the better units" overrepresented on our tables, from Fallschirmjaeger to Old Guard and way too many Tigers on average.

Of all the Roman reenactors I've seen over the years, Only one was in clear Late Republic kit.

And the market follows the customer rather than the other way round, it's much easier to get all the Imperial Rome kit than the Republican one. Or at least it would have been until some years ago.

And don't forget there is a healthy dose of Farb going round as well, which tends to pull popular reenactment periods in certain ways, so that you end up with an over-abundance of red Roman tunics, red shields with yellow thunderbolts and a lot of discussion going back and forth whenever somebody wants to be "different". and shows up in a white tunic with a blue shield …

I suspect there may also be a kind of "legacy" effect going on, reenactment got its first major push in the 70's and 80's at a time where we finally cracked the secrets behind the lorica segmentata and archaeologists commissioned the first replica's which would have been an "instant draw" to first-time Roman reenactors who need to have kit made, with little other choice most groups that followed simply procured from the same sources, which means that other manufacturers started to offer what appeared to be high on demand, while reenactors picked what was the easiest to obtain with off-the-shelf kit on offer.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2015 12:07 a.m. PST

"Farb"???

Que?

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2015 3:11 a.m. PST

Farb


Unhistory/unrealistisc reenactors.


It can be single people, like a Roman reenactors with legio segmenta whenn he pretends to be a Caesearian legionare.

Or in groups like a groups pretending to to a US WW2 rifle company, and they all use the Thompson SMGs

Patrick R03 Aug 2015 3:18 a.m. PST

"Farb" appears to refer to the endless discussions reenactors have had over the right shade of certain uniforms (especially German Field Grey)

Farbs can be "close enough" reenactors who take shortcuts when assembling their gear.

Or it can refer to reenactors who have an extreme level of orthodoxy when it comes to gear and equipment (No MG34 is allowed in a D-Day period group as it was replaced by the MG42, all Romans must wear red tunics, insisting on having everyone in the unit wear the 1812 uniform etc …)

Mars Ultor03 Aug 2015 3:48 a.m. PST

Try Armae.com. They have more republican stuff, including a scutum. Also search their apulo-corinthian helmet. I've been lusting after that for years. Alas, the law says I have to feed my kids.

LORDGHEE03 Aug 2015 11:21 a.m. PST

some one sell stuff lots of guys in this vid


link

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2015 1:10 p.m. PST

Wow that was actually quite good!

So i have to learn spansh..

Dogged03 Aug 2015 3:04 p.m. PST

yep same video linked above; search for Athenea Promakhos in fb to get some videos/pics more, Iberian-Republican Rome era. You'll find people trading replica items from that era (like the great guy running Fibulae, who also reenacts a Napoleonic highlander).

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2015 3:40 p.m. PST

Intresting stuff, i did look at the athenea promakhos, and it explained why the carthagenians looked so greek, as they apear to be mainly hoplite reenactors.

meledward2304 Aug 2015 5:17 a.m. PST

not progressive enough.

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