"Never ever buy anything from Hewlett-Packard" Topic

Having lost many hours fighting with 2 years old barely used printer from this brand of thieves, I advise you not to fall in the trap.
Proprietary half empty cartridges, programed ending artificially created by electronic device ( useless otherwise).
We should fight against this kind of anti ethical thieving behaviour.
Any one found a cheap ( it can be cheap, this is bottom technology by now, can be very simple) printer with reload able cartridges?

Agreed, I had bad experiences on two of their inferior products. PC twice, printer once. No more for me, thanks!

I have an Epson 312 printer with individual colour cartridges. Works fine.

Have used HP printers for several years with no trouble. Biggest drawback was the combined colour cartridge.

If it is cheap it will have the proprietary cartridge crap. Just the way it is.

I am told that your best bet is to find a used laser printer for a good price. Although it is HP I have a J4680C and but cartridges from Amazon. I am going to try some refurbished ones and although they comments say half of them do not work that still means I am paying 25% of the cost of new cartridges.

We should fight those thieves:
Here some info

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If there was anything like a free market associated with the right information, these should go busted.

Oh. If you're talking about refilled cartridges, the cartridges for the Epson printer I mentioned above are so cheap it's not worth mucking about with refilling them.

Have you just tried re-setting the date on your computer back a few months before trying to print? Works for some systems. A friend in IT security tells me that there are special drivers or other programs out there that will hack the printer or cartridge to bypass the date chip.

The whole date on a chip thing is apparently becoming more wide spread, manufacturers see another way to claw some more money in from consumers in a marketplace where pricing is so competitive.

Considering how cheap a lot of laser and ink jet printers are, I wonder how long it will be before manufacturers just say the printer is a disposable item, no replaceable cartridges, use it and dump it.

> Considering how cheap a lot of laser and ink jet printers are, I wonder how long it will be before manufacturers just say the printer is a disposable item

NEVER – the reason the printers are so cheap is they lock you in for the ink/toner. Without that lock-in the printers would be at least twice as expensive.

There was a printer released in the last couple years that supposedly had much cheaper ink but it did cost roughly twice as much as others in the same class – I have not seen any mention of it in over a year though…

I had a HP color ink jet printer. Printer dirt cheap but cartridges stop with 20% of ink left in them. HP got sued by a class action law suit and it ended up with all those ripped off this way getting a $50 USD coupon for – wait for it – more cartridges! The price for the cartridges was outrageous and they dried up or otherwise refused to work. I switched to a Brother plain black laser jet printer with a cartridge good for like 7000 pages.

I did the same as you. Bought a Brother Laser printer and have been good. cartridges are about 10-12 bucks for 4000 pages. Just upgraded my laser printer so it has a scanner too. Brother tend to have a wide variety of knock off cartridges available on Amazon pretty cheap. We've only used Brother for about 10 years now.

For years I had an old HP printer that was from the pre-chip days. When that finally died I bought another one for around ten bucks. That one finally died this spring.

My solution was to do the opposite- spend on the printer, not the ink. So I bought a higher-end HP that has cartridges for around ten dollars. The printer is great and I am, so far, very satisfied.

I've been running the crap out of an HP LaserJet 1022 for years; it works just fine.

I also have a Epson 312 the same as MajorB and its the best printer to date that I have owned.

I remember a quote from a senior staffer at HP after Carly Fiorrina nearly ruined them.

"Her mistake was thinking that our business was selling printers, our business is selling printer ink."

I've probably paraphrased it but the gist remains the same.

I have had an issue with HP printer drivers being identified as malware by my anti-virus programs. I had an HP printer I loved for many years, but when it died, the one I replaced it with was horrible. My wife's laptop is an HP, it works great (and she pushes it hard while gaming) except when random HP software popups lock it up for ten minutes at a time.

I am avoiding HP products in the future.

Can't reset anything, the damn thing won't even scan…. Because of the ink problem. But after a lot of manipulations ( some advocated by Hp! ) it went trying to tell it was different problems. In truth it is the non hp cartridges that block all… Artificially.

I use an HP DV7t-7000 laptop with no problems at all for several years now. Before that I had an HP Compaq Presario, no problems with that either.

What I like about HP laptops is they still use socketed CPUs, not soldered onto the boards, so I can upgrade my CPU. There are 4 more CPUs that are compatible with my motherboard so I can extend the life of the laptop for several more years.

I have a HP CP1525NW Color Laser printer. It has RGB cartridges at about $80 USD each and a Black cartridge also at the same price. The only problem I have is that the printer occasionally goes to sleep and the computer does not wake it up again. I suspect that has to do with the LINUX drivers I am using more than the printer itself.

Cartridges that come with the printer are often of limited capacity. Replacements are filled to full capacity. I don't know why companies do it but that is the way it is. Not just HP, but Cannon and Lexmark both do it as well.

I used Canon printers for years until the last one stopped working. Waste ink container full. Designed so you can't get to the waste printer contained so you have to get a new printer. I bought a Brother.

I always refill ink carts. A Chinese company sells empty refillable carts that have a chip resetter built in. The carts are clear plastic so I know how much ink is left, all Have to do is take out a rubber stopper, inject ink, replace stopper and put back in the printer. Must have saved me a fortune on ink. Worth doing a search on ebay and see if any reuseble carts are available for your printer.

I have an Oki printer – great quality

I don't think the problem is with HP but with inkjet printers.

We bought a laser and have never, ever looked back.

I have had an HP 3600 color laser for 10 years (as of this coming Saturday). While the cartridges are a bit pricey, I am only on my 5th black and third set of the color cartridges.

Only thing that won't work is the tray to feed envelopes and letterhead -- an that is not HP's fault but rather is the result of a cat trying to use the tray as a diving board…

So over all I can't complain.

Yeah, we went through one toner cartridge in a year or so, but that's with me printing out several rule books from the Vault and the wife printing out TONS of stuff for school.

My HP recently started behaving strangely. I thought it might be a router problem but direct connection did not fix it. Think something must have gone in its network card. It's a shame as it was on the whole very good. Solution – bought a cheap Brother – that made the HP behave for a fortnight. I'll have to open the Brother's box and see if that has a salutary effect.