"Adler 20mm Lehr" Topic

Got the build just about right now with this last test piece so can get on with the range. The only thing needing fettling are the collar tabs, the existing ones all very nice on the casting but a whole lot more trouble to paint than Id like so will redo with a little more 'exaggeration.'

a pic close to the actual size

a quick comparison with an AB figure

first work up of a proposed commissioned AFK range

and lastly an AFK tank commander.

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Excellent Sculpts!

Leon…

Any chance of the DAK types in time for the next book?

Those look good!

Outstanding.

Duane

Wow that is wonderful work. I have a feeling I'll be an avid customer of this range

Wow, beautiful sculpts. Being a 20mm WW2 gamer, I'd like to know when these are on the market and where?

Superb on the Lehr. Although I have too many unpainted 20mm Germans, I will be getting these (to stand alongside my 6mm Adler German WWII)

Next you can do LFD – please…

So what makes Lehr uniforms unique from other Heer uniforms?

link

Has a nice painting of a Panzer Lehr NCO [Officer?]

The jacket is the main difference.

Panzer Lehr!!!! Good idea!
Where can I buy these?

IF Leon is taking suggestions (I know, wishful thinking), I'd like either 1940 BEF or 14th Army.

Those are some nice sculpts…

historygamer,
Its not very evident on this pose of figure but the Lehr troops were equipped with the M1940 special uniform ( a grey version of the double breasted Panzer uniform) unless they were entitled to the black Panzer version. It looks rather snazzy and a bit different.
Release date is pencilled in for the fall but design time always in short supply.

PiersBrand AFK dependant on others as it will be a 'by commission' range.

rct75001 is that Luftwaffe Field Division? Normandy Fallschirmjäger are possible which might cover it.

Bindon Blood, well those both VERY niche suggestions, design cost would be the same as say US Paras ( which are wandering around the design list) but I suspect sales would be 90% less. The law of economics make it unlikely I'm afraid. Wish I had the time just to design but running the production side of things takes up a lot of time.

wrgmr1
They will be announced on here and our website when they ready.
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Fallschirmjagers, YES!

So I am currently reading "Elite Panzer Strike Force: Germany's Panzer Lehr Division in WWII" by Franz Kurowski. The pictures seem to show a mixture of jackets worn by the members, some in the double breasted, some in the usual Heer jacket. Not sure what to make of that. Was there some sort of pattern who wore them and who didn't?

historygamer,
Not read the book myself but Lehr ,when set up, was probably one of the best equipped and uniformed units in the German army in 44. In pics not always easy to see if its Lehr personel or Heer types as its only the shoulder insignia that would really show it.
After the fight in Normandy and Falaise pocket very doubtful if the supply situation allowed Lehr to be reequipped to the level it was so I'd guess they would be grateful to get any sort of jacket.
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FD(L) aren't FJ

Cardinal Hawkwood,
Yes thanks I do know that but the FJ in Normandy were a very mixed bag uniform wise often the 'normal para helmet and smock' uniform supplemented by Heer and LD items so if I do a range I'd bear this in mind when doing variations. Dont know until I do the in depth research hence the words ' might cover it.'
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any number of photos around of FJ in coalscuttles, ankle boots and canvas gaiters.

There are from the Battle of the Bulge. Weren't some of the Luftwaffe in Normandy also Air Landing divisions that did wear the normal looking Heer uniform, with Luftwaffe badge?

Interesting no one seems to know more about PLD and their uniforms.

cardinal – you could always sculpt your own just exactly how you like

Personally, I think the Pacific is a theater a bit under-represented at the moment in 20mm. Only a handful of manufacturers have close to complete ranges. Don't know of any manufacturers off the top of my head that make, for instance, Japanese Naval Landing or US Army in 20mm.

Any nationality infantry in foxholes, USMC jeep crews, USMC corps men, USMC wading in to shore, Japanese in ragged uniforms for late war. The list could go on.

Normandy is probably the most popular theater to game, but also has the most competition to face from other manufacturers. Unless you can fill gaps where other ranges often fall short, such as gun crews, tank riders, casualties/medics, etc.

As nice as a range of NWE FJ would be, I personally would have very little interest in it due to my existing collection of FJ for Normandy. The other option would be to do up a range of FJ for, say, Italy and the Mediterranean theater in tropical gear, rolled sleeves, etc.

Now, the Lehr range is a definite blip on my radar, and I look forward to seeing how the range takes shape. The couple models we've seen so far look great!

~iPaint

iPaint,
You certainly have a point, the Pacific War let alone Burma etc are very poorly served. Its always the way with these things they probably are because they are not popular enough to generate viable sales. Which when I think about it is odd given the US market.
Not something I would go for ( just dont have the production base) specially as there is quite a lot of 28mm out there as I seem to remember.
The ranges I'm planning are meant to supplement existing ranges not replace them. Hopefully theres enough room in the market for something a little different, and I hope good quality.
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I think that's a grand idea, i mean in all honesty how many ranges of FJ or Normandy or Eastern Front Germans do we need, not withstanding the lehr which will save me some money as I was going to commission some for Wartime from their sculptor but now these are being done I don't see the point in spending money on what is in reality a relative niche market.

That being said troops for Italy would be good, Im pretty sure I have the old Scenic Effects Monte Cassino lurking somewhere :-)

Blacky750,
How can you have a 20mm Monte Cassino 'lurking' ? That the same as saying a Jagdtiger made a stealthy approach lol
Well all plans are totally theoretical at the moment will do the Lehr basic set of 40 figs and the Panzer crews and then see whats what when the sales figures are in.
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I'm looking forward the Lehr to add to the Elheim ones I already have. Will the Lehr have helmet covers? It's hard to tell from your photo?

waveydavey,
They will have a mix of the 'regulation' cover, US net and chicken wire ( assuming I can make that last one! Had one go so far and it was…………..)
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easy, my man cave is a four car garage and the table is 27 feet long

Blacky 750
Now thats whats called a wargames table :)and less a cave more of a castle! Yep a Monte Cassina could 'lurk' in there.
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Yep, I like it

Someone on another thread answered my question:

Here is a quote regarding it off the feldgrau forum

"The Sturmartillerie uniform was ordered to be issued on a limited basis to units of Panzergrenadier-HM 43, Nr. 269. Officially, this uniform was to worn by soldiers assigned to the Panzergrenadier-Bataillone(gep) which was the unit mounted on SPW. As usual, the bounds between who was allowed and not allowed to wear it were pushed by units. And in Panzergrenadier-Lehr-Regimenter 901 and 902 everyone who could get one wore it."

Field Uniforms of German Army Panzer Forces in World War 2/Pruett and Edwards

What's the latest on these?

Blacky750,
Work in progress, will be nothing till November earliest, hectic show season about to begin so design time in short supply I'm afraid.
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copy, lets me save some money