David Manley | 26 Jul 2015 10:18 p.m. PST |
… or is anyone else finding the whole Age of Sigmar / end of Warhammer and associated outpouring of angst and emotion as amusing as similar outcries when Boyzone and other boy bands split up? :) |
Streitax | 26 Jul 2015 10:24 p.m. PST |
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McWong73 | 26 Jul 2015 10:33 p.m. PST |
It's folks dealing with grief. |
Winston Smith | 26 Jul 2015 11:01 p.m. PST |
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Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut | 26 Jul 2015 11:04 p.m. PST |
I read many posts about AoS, hoping I find a positive outlook and signs it will succeed. I honestly have no interest in it, the last time I even tried to get things sorted for WHFB was maybe 10 years ago. But I wish GW well in their new direction. |
Shedman | 26 Jul 2015 11:37 p.m. PST |
I'm tempted to use the rules for WW2 |
thehawk | 26 Jul 2015 11:45 p.m. PST |
If Boyzone split up they'd be Boyzhalf. Does this mean they won't be at Wacken? |
Pictors Studio | 27 Jul 2015 4:26 a.m. PST |
I've found it to be the most amusing version of Warhammer in a while. |
mossdocking | 27 Jul 2015 4:31 a.m. PST |
Are GW aware of or care about TMP ? and the opinions expressed here ? |
Bandolier | 27 Jul 2015 4:47 a.m. PST |
Are GW aware of or care about TMP ? and the opinions expressed here ? I'm quite sure the GW Executives troll Utter Drivel as part of their daily schedule. |
Dynaman8789 | 27 Jul 2015 4:56 a.m. PST |
Last time I saw so much angstbis when SL was replaced with ASL, people are STILL moaning about that. |
Ssendam | 27 Jul 2015 5:01 a.m. PST |
I'm finding it amusing … especially the guy who burned his Warhammer armies and posted it on YouTube. |
Pedrobear | 27 Jul 2015 5:09 a.m. PST |
link I was heart-broken when Take That split up… |
Flashman14 | 27 Jul 2015 5:42 a.m. PST |
I think the fundamental shift and reordering is perfectly commensurate with the belly aching. This wasn't a tinkering-round-the-edges job. I'd be more suprised if the complaints went away any time soon given the overturning of a generation's (or two) of enjoyment. |
YogiBearMinis | 27 Jul 2015 5:43 a.m. PST |
Well, to be fair, there is a sizable chunk of miniature wargamers who play mostly GW games and perhaps fantasy in particular. Especially in the UK, they play at GW stores, and many play in various GW tournaments (maybe indie-sponsored, but still). They have ploughs years of gaming, hundreds of hours of painting, and perhaps thousands of dollars into this one system, and now it is cancelled. If I had a large WFB collection, played mostly at GW stores or indie WFB events, yes I would be pretty darn upset. Now, I agree, many of them will hopefully come to recognize the rest of the hobby and expand their horizons, whether to continue to play WFB on their own or learn to play any of the hundreds of games/periods out on the market, but that doesn't change the fact that this is upsetting and paradigm-changing for them. |
boggler | 27 Jul 2015 6:17 a.m. PST |
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KTravlos | 27 Jul 2015 6:24 a.m. PST |
Well I never collected my Warhammer figures to play specifically Warhammer. So I am cool. my 7000-8000k point collection got a lot of use these days for SAGA |
Frederick | 27 Jul 2015 7:47 a.m. PST |
You know, there is absolutely no reason not to continue playing WH Fantasy using the old rules Certainly what I plan to do |
MH Dee | 27 Jul 2015 10:28 a.m. PST |
I popped into the local GW store a week or so ago – I was tempted to pick up that WD with the free figure, just as a casual interest thing. The manager said it had completely sold out first thing (with a queue outside the shop as he arrived)and apparently the same across loads more shops. The place was full of people looking at the preview figs etc, and there was a definite buzz going on. Just wanted to say… |
CorpCommander | 27 Jul 2015 10:39 a.m. PST |
I'm rather amused by it. Reminds me of me circa 1993 when they dropped my entire Army for WHFB. I didn't buy another GW product for over 20 years. |
Feet up now | 27 Jul 2015 11:08 a.m. PST |
Amusing most of the time but the hatred shown by grown men toward a game system is a little disturbing. |
TheBeast | 27 Jul 2015 11:17 a.m. PST |
I've found it to be the most amusing version of Warhammer in a while. I wondered about that; not a fan of WHFB, I should see if it's more interesting? Not that I'll sink massive funds into it. At first, I thought the whinning was near to what you get every 'latest codex/army book', and 'couldn't you play with the figs you have?', but others I respect indicate I just don't get it. @CC I DO have plenty of stunties for 40K. Don't play, but love 'em dearly. Doug |
Mako11 | 27 Jul 2015 11:57 a.m. PST |
Ignorance is bliss. About the only think I know of it is that the acronym is AoS, and there's a lot of heated discussion on the subject, which I generally can't be bothered reading. ;-) |
Intrepide | 27 Jul 2015 2:12 p.m. PST |
I don't find it amusing. I think everyone who poured their money, time and energy into that once successful game environment was shafted without benefit of grease. The North Korean levels of control that company tried to exert leaves a lot of its fans bewildered and out in the cold, which to me is sad rather than entertaining. I hope they move on to try other systems such as King of War, Armies of Arcana, Frostgrave and so on, to realize that there are other and better games out there. These people were treated in vile and despicable fashion. They have my sympathy. |
Intrepide | 27 Jul 2015 2:20 p.m. PST |
"What? Warhammer is going away or something? Is there a reader's digest type of link for this?" Salty review (you have been warned if your eyes/ears are delicate) : link Less salt, more background: link |
Gwydion | 27 Jul 2015 2:33 p.m. PST |
Er… isn't it a game? If people want to carry on playing Warhammer 1thruWhatever – why don't they just do it? The company may want to sell something different but you don't have to buy it. Use other companies figures and play whatever WH rules variant you like. It's not a law that you have to do what GW says. Where's that spirit of independence? |
kallman | 27 Jul 2015 3:50 p.m. PST |
(Huge Sigh) I have not played Warhammer Fantasy in years and especially after the Monster Hammer debacle that was 8th Edition. Regardless I still have most of my models and much of it painted and some as yet to see primer, but what miniature gamer has all his figure painted??? Therefore the entire Age of Sigmar hulabaloo really does not concern me other than as others have stated it is a big up yours to the fans and players by GW. Well it is their business and they may do quiet well with the revamp and gain some new customers. Unfortunately I see their revamp as a reaction to instead of taking the lead on the fantasy gaming market, which they seem to be abdicating to Privateer Press. Yes those of us who have whatever version of WFB we want to play and have the figures or other fantasy figures can continue to play the game we want. However those of you who are shaking their heads over the rending of cloth and gnashing of teeth by some fans of Warhammer seem to forget that for many players the ability to find an opponent and enjoy the background and competition of the Warhammer format was what they enjoyed about miniature gaming. Many of these folks are never going to convert to historical games or other systems. It is not how they are hardwired and not what they are looking for. They had a huge investment in time and money into their army or armies and realize that without the support from GW and mom and pop stores the pastime they have enjoyed just got the shaft. No it is not logical per se, but I think that is a good summation for all the angst. And yes the mom and pop stores did get the shaft as well. Several store owners I have talked to since the ambush of AoS are seriously considering giving up on carrying GW product. Now that is just my local scene but your mileage may vary. Funny enough my gaming group is having a little game day this Saturday and one of our planned activities is a game of Lion Rampant using our old Warhammer armies for stand ins of the various unit types in the Lion Rampant rule book. We are following some of the suggestions for Old School Fantasy war gaming listed in the back of the rules and doing some creative tweaks of our own. In fact I am looking forward to Dragon Rampant coming out as it may very well rekindle the fire to play fantasy miniature games again. I will post some photos and let you know how it went. |
Intrepide | 27 Jul 2015 4:16 p.m. PST |
"Several store owners I have talked to since the ambush of AoS are seriously considering giving up on carrying GW product." link |
kallman | 27 Jul 2015 7:23 p.m. PST |
Intrepide, one of the store owners I am talking about tried to sell the Mantic figures a while back and those models eventually ended up in the bargain bin. Of course Warhammer was still going strong at the store at the time and most GW players were not impressed with the Mantic figures and of course the figures were far smaller than the GW Heroic Scale figures. I doubt he would be interested in going this route again or my getting Mantic to call him to carry the line. I like the guy too much to do that to him. Sadly, I think due to a number of factors that having space in a gaming store devoted to miniatures is well on the wain. The exception will be pre-paints and game systems that have a collectible aspect and are always updating. I am thinking of things like X-Wing and the like. The customer that will go for that type of thing will be in for the latest releases and does not have the investment in painting and building that the regular or the so called GW hobby has to offer. In fact I am sure that if GW can figure a way to have pre-painted figures they would jump on that band wagon. I will add another stab at the local retailer made to him by GW. Now granted this was from the sells rep at GW but I think it speaks to the culture of GW. The rep asked the store owner why he was not interested in upping or replacing his stock. First the owner of the store mentioned how they (GW) opening a store 30 minutes from his store had killed his sells. "But the GW store does not have space for gaming you could provide that." States the GW Rep. My friend the store owner of course told the rep what he could do with that. "Yea I provide space for people to play with the toys you sell them. Yep that will work." |
Meiczyslaw | 27 Jul 2015 8:42 p.m. PST |
Last time I saw so much angstbis when SL was replaced with ASL, people are STILL moaning about that. Raises hand. |
Intrepide | 28 Jul 2015 8:26 a.m. PST |
Kallman, Mantic has redone some of their minis, as the quality and materials were not consistent. I've heard nothing but praise about their Undead (too bad for me as I intensely dislike undead) and their Dwarves, Orcs and Goblins are well received by most people. You might suggest to your local guy to contact Mantic and ask for the nearest Pathfinder to come and sponsor some games of KoW v2 at his store, to spark some interest and revive some trade. The Pathfinder will have at least two finished Mantic armies so people can look at them on the table. |
20thmaine | 28 Jul 2015 12:09 p.m. PST |
I guess it's a bit like when Seastrike went out of production |
Rogzombie | 28 Jul 2015 7:02 p.m. PST |
Thirty years is a long time to survive. I think they have built in a back door for a return to WFB by calling this game AoS and making it so different. BUt it looks like you can really only play against Chaos? |
kallman | 29 Jul 2015 7:28 a.m. PST |
Intrepide, I appreciate your enthusiasm for Mantic but I know this store owner pretty well and once burned twice shy as the saying goes. I am not going to test our friendship by pushing a sells rep onto him. I live in the Charlotte area. His store is north of the city. If you are willing, contact Mantic and give them a tip, be my guest. I already have a plethora of GW Warhammer Fantasy armies that have been sitting in their storage containers for years never seeing the table top. Now part of that has been my being too busy with graduate school, work, life and the occasional historical game. If I am going to war game fantasy I am going to pull out one of my WFB armies and find someone who wants to play an earlier edition of the rules like sixth. I have downloaded the Kings of War rules but have not had a chance to give them a good read as of yet. It is on my to do list and maybe I will find a better game there. However part of what made Warhammer so compelling was the back story. Kings of War dose not have that being more of a generic set of rules. Perhaps I am wrong in that regard so I welcome being educated otherwise. Anyway that is all I have to say at the moment and that was more than perhaps I should. |