"Requiem for the Humvee, as the Army readies for the next war" Topic
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Tango01 | 23 Jul 2015 9:48 p.m. PST |
"For sale: military Humvee in jungle green or desert tan. Great for hauling cargo, artillery and soldiers. Can ford rivers, traverse sand dunes and bound over rocky terrain. Not recommended for heavy urban combat or mine-laden roads. Bidding starts at $7,500. USD After a storied career that spanned the 1989 invasion of Panama, the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Bosnia, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States' fleet of Humvees is entering its twilight, and the vehicles are being sold to the highest bidder by the dozen. The vehicle is an icon of the U.S. military that replaced the Jeep and spawned a gas-guzzling commercial cousin that symbolized American ego and extravagance…" Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
Mako11 | 23 Jul 2015 11:49 p.m. PST |
Hmmm, could really use one of those for camping, fishing, hunting, diving, and skiing. |
Legion 4 | 24 Jul 2015 6:29 a.m. PST |
Not recommended for heavy urban combat or mine-laden roads. And there's the rub … it was forced to be "A maid of all work" … when it appears that more MRAP type vehicles should have been deployed much sooner. IIRC … Both the IDF and SA Forces have MRAP types vehicles in their inventories for quite sometime. I know you go to war with the army you have … But the introduction of MRAPs was too little too late, IMO … Was it the solution to all situations ? No, of course not. But I'm sure all will agree. It would have reduced casualities. My local LEOs even have one, it was still painted in desert tan last time I saw it … |
Jlundberg | 24 Jul 2015 7:22 a.m. PST |
Frankly no vehicle is designed for heavy urban combat. The Humvees is fine for what it was designed for – softskin utility. Had the coalition been heavily equipped with MRAPs, the IED tactic would have been less effective and we would have the waste hawks complaining about over equipping our forces. IF I was an outdoorsman, I would think seriously about picking one up. |
Tankrider | 24 Jul 2015 3:41 p.m. PST |
The Hummer was a replacement for the JEEP, something to ride in to get somewhere, not something that was designed to be an armored fighting vehicle. When it was forced into that role because we didn't have a suitable wheeled armored fighting vehicle and the use of armor was politically unacceptable or too expensive or whatever, GI's were maimed and killed unnecessarily. Let's hope we learned our lesson and keep different vehicles in the inventory that are suitable for both tasks because there will be a next time. |
Quaker | 24 Jul 2015 8:10 p.m. PST |
IEDs would still have wasted the light armor the US had during the Iraq occupation. AT mines are mostly designed to be cost effective and have a relatively small blast compared to IEDs made from a few old artillery shells or ANFO. And most armored vehicles are only survivable to setting off an AT mine with a track hit. Command detonation of an AT mine under the main hull would kill even an Abrams. You also can't chase militants in civilian vehicles in an urban area using a Bradley or M113. Even MRAPs are mostly too heavy and cumbersome for that. |
Mitochondria | 24 Jul 2015 9:12 p.m. PST |
Having survived 23 IED detonations during OIF II while riding in either an M1114 or an M113, I have to say that I am sad to see them go. They were perfect vehicles for an urban environment as long as you didn't get hit by an IED. |
darthfozzywig | 25 Jul 2015 2:19 p.m. PST |
Having survived 23 IED detonations during OIF II *shudders* Jeebus. |
Tango01 | 26 Jul 2015 9:59 p.m. PST |
I like them. Amicalement Armand |
Lion in the Stars | 27 Jul 2015 7:35 p.m. PST |
Having survived 23 IED detonations during OIF II *shudders*Jeebus.
My sentiments exactly. Mitochondria, I think you owe your guardian angels a few years of doing nothing more strenuous than watching football on TV, they put in waaaaaaaaay too much overtime keeping you safe! |
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