"seeking 1st lancers 1815 French 15/18mm" Topic

Hello. seeking suitable 15mm figures that would blend with OG/Fantassin/AB to represent the French first light lancers. These are the chaps retaining the helmet and tuft with, i think, their elites in shako with eppulettes (sp?)….

Thoughts/

Madcam.

I meant tge 1st chasseurs.

There was TMP discussion in the "whereabouts of Piquet's Dragoon brigade" that indicated they had not been wearing the helmets in the 1815 campaign.
Hopefully the scholars will jump in soon and confirm.
You retain the most versatility of periods leaving in "shako" anyway… just saying

MG

In any case, it's not a lancer helmet. More like a carabineer helmet. I also will be happy to hear what the "scholars" say about it. I thought it was settled that this unit was wearing its Bourbon-issued helmet during this campaign.

The Book Relics of Waterloo claims to show a centrepiece of the helmet with the Royal markings preserved removed from the field. We all know the story about "Regt du Roi" being hammered out to "Regt du i". Hard to imagine a unit with a helmet getting rid of it before facing a conflict.

Only question might be how widely issued it was, during First Restoration, in order to be retained!

It looks good anyway, but actually it is neither like a lancer nor a French Carabinier's. It has a German look to me and there is a name….a summathelm?

Thanks all for the input… Now, who makes a 15/18mm figure to accurately represent the 1st Cha a Cvl of the 1815 period with the helmet?

I've been told perhaps OGs Belgium Carabinier would work. Don't know if they used cuirass though. Certainly the 1st Cha a Cvl didn't.

I can't believe with all the attention around 200 Waterloo, no enterprising company didn't make them….

Madcam.

Chariot Miniatures used to – not sure who carries that range now

Nearly forgot the CGM makes these… order 24 of them, enough for the unit at Quatre Bras at 1:20. Only one minor gripe is the unit per some sources have the elites and the officers in shako. CGM has theirs in the same helmet at the troopers…

Not too big of a deal and the figures look great… Service was first rate and with the exchange rate to the Euro not too painful for USers……

Madcam.

I'm not one of said Napoleonic scholars, but I believe that the argument was based on an account of the battle of Rocquencourt (1 Jul 1815) that has them in shakes and that it is unlikely that there was the opportunity to re-equip the regiment between QB and this action.

This is all taken from the Dragoon thread,

Von Sohr apprit que la cavalerie anglaise et prussienne (qu'on apercevait sur the route de Saint-Germain) venait à son secours. Mais on acquit bientôt la certitude que c'était des Français – à savoir le 1er régiment de chasseurs dont les shakos, ressemblant aux nôtres, nous avaient trompés

Revue de l'Histoire de Versailles et de Seine-et-Oise (Versailles : Bernard, 1968), p. 207.
Trans.
"Von Sohr [the Prussian cavalry commander] understood that the Engilish and Prussian cavalry (which had been seen on the route from Saint-Germain) had come to his support. But the certainty that they were French was soon apparent – we came know that the 1st chasseurs, their shakos resembling ours, had fooled us."