"2/4th Marine Artillery Regiment WIP" Topic
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Gunfreak | 09 Jul 2015 4:41 a.m. PST |
First two of four bases of this battalion. [URL=http://s418.photobucket.com/user/Gunfreak23/media/28mm%20Napoleoincs/marine%20artillery%20regiment3_zpsso5qudhi.jpg.html]
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Frederick | 09 Jul 2015 6:10 a.m. PST |
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Col Blancard | 09 Jul 2015 6:24 a.m. PST |
looking great, and those Calpe Miniatures are of such quality!! the only negative/constructive comment I'll make is: unbend the muskets and bayonets :) |
deadhead | 09 Jul 2015 7:15 a.m. PST |
What a vibrant blue. Dark enough for scale and realism but brilliant highlights….all to easily overdone, to look like zebras. I have to ask what paints you used? 5 minutes later…….OK you idiot, read the text! Thanks for this, brilliant…… |
Gunfreak | 09 Jul 2015 7:26 a.m. PST |
Glad you like it guys, the bayonets are straighten as much as I dared. deadhead I to love it(as you can see on the blog) It's my go to "dark blue" I use it for prussian uniforms, french, american civil war ect. Yes to light for reality, but still darker then how some paint their french so I'm happy with it. |
Col Blancard | 09 Jul 2015 7:47 a.m. PST |
I found it safe to unbend the Calpe bayonets – I paintend 100 hundred of them. So I'll suggest you experiment on a 'test' miniature ;) But again, great painting! |
Edwulf | 09 Jul 2015 3:34 p.m. PST |
Nice basing. Mine never come out that good. |
deadhead | 10 Jul 2015 2:09 p.m. PST |
OK, I have to ask a dumb question…and I know that five seconds on Google would tell me. But who are these folk? I have heard of marine artillery firing guns at Waterloo and, with no navy worth speaking of, I can understand it. Right……. Sailors of the Garde took the bridge at Charleroi (for some daft reason). Engineers acted as infantry the same…. Forgive the question, but why do these gunners not have an artillery piece between them? |
Gunfreak | 10 Jul 2015 2:19 p.m. PST |
Napoleon was short of good troops in 1813. The marine artillery regiment were naval fort gunners. While not infantry, they were one of the few french units with proper training and military disiplin. And so they became infantry, some of the best he had. They really only fought one battle, mockeren part of Leipzig. |
HANS GRUBER | 10 Jul 2015 2:22 p.m. PST |
TMP link from the Prince of Essling: The decree of 24 January 1813 transferred the 4 Regiments from the Ministry of the Navy to the Ministry of War with effect 1 February. (The Ministry of the Navy retained 500 men from the artillerie de la marine for service with the fleet.) The regiments were formed as follows: 1st at Brest; 2nd at Toulon; 3rd at Cherbourg; & 4th at Antwerp. The Regiments were reorganised into battalions of 6 companies of 140 men each; battalion HQ of 4 personnel; regimental HQ of 4 personnel. The Regiment mobilised battalions as follows: 1st – 8 battalions; 2nd – 10 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 4 battalions. 6 battalions remained in the ports and 20 (1st Rgt – 6 battalions; 2nd Rgt – 8 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 3 battalions) joined Napoleon in Germany to serve in an infantry role in Marmont's VI Corps. 6 battalions were left in Mayence (Mainz) to act as cadres for reinforcements for the Regiments, while most of their men were used to reinforce the other field battalions. As a result the Regiments took the field as follows: 1st – 4 battalions; 2nd – 6 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 2 battalions. They fought at Lutzen and Bautzen. During the Armistice the ports sent 4 battalions to their parent formations in Saxony – 1 battalion remained at Brest & 1 at Toulon. On recommencement of hostilities on 18 August the Regiments comprised: 1st – 5 battalions; 2nd – 7 battalions; 3rd & 4th – each 3 battalions. They took part in the battles of Dresden, & Leipzig. During the retreat to the Rhine the 1st & the 2nd Regiments respectively left 350 & 734 men to defend Erfurt; also 300 newly arrived reinforcements from Cherbourg were left at Erfurt. The Régiments artillerie de la marine fought at Hanau. The decree of 17 July 1813 established an artillery park at Cherbourg. During 1813-14 officers from the Regimentswere employed in the defence of Erfurt & Torgau, others at Danzig, Antwerp, Dresden, Mayence, Genoa etc. Of the 17,338 men sent to Germany, 2,412 were killed, 7,291 remained in German hospitals, 2,319 were prisoners or in rear areas, 571 were transferred to the Guard artillery, 1,084 left at Erfurt (this excludes the 300 reinforcments). On 7 November 1813 the regiments were reorgnaised and their effective strengths were: 1st: 557 men in 2 battalions; 2nd 1,897 men in 4 battalions; 3rd: 632 men in 3 battalions & 4th 575 men in 3 battalions. Brest & Toulon continued to act as depots for the 1st & 2nd Regiments; Valognes became the depot for the 3rd, and Abbeville for the 4th. All Regiments were supposed to comprise 5 battalions (the 5th acting as the depot battalion). In January 1814 the regimental depots were ordered to send cadres to Paris, where they formed the 2nd Division of the Corps de Réserves de Paris. Marmont's Corps fought at Vauchamps (capturing 1,000men), Champaubert, & Montmirail. Others from the artillerie de la marine fought in the defence of France. By 5 May there remained just 695 effectives. L'artillerie de la marine was reorganised on 1 July 1814 with the name Corps Royal des cannoniers de la marine. The Corps comprised a HQ of 2 personnel, 3 Regiments (1st had 3 battalions & the other two had 2 battalions each. All of the battalions had 6 companies each of 124 personnel. In times of war the battalions were to be raised to 10 companies each of 207 personnel), 5 compagnies d'ouvriers each of 132 personnel, 6 compagnies d'apprentis cannoniers each of 139 personnel and a number of officers who were employed as necessary in the 6 directions maritime (the 5 great ports plus Dunkirk), 4 founderies, 3 forges and 1 quality control workshop? (atelier de perfectionnement). The Regiments were deployed as follows: 1st regiment: 1st battalion at Cherbourg; 2nd & 3rd at Brest. 2nd regiment: 2 battalions at Toulon. 3rd regiment: 1st battalion at Lorient; 2nd battalion at Rochefort. One compagnie d'ouvriers was deployed at each port. Two compagnies d'apprentis cannoniers were deployed at Brest and 1 in each of the 4 other ports. 16 officers were detached to the foundries & workshops. Details of the Regiment during the 100 days is fairly scant. Upon Napoleon's return 2 battalions (2nd of the 1st Regiment & 3rd of the 3rd Regiment) were sent to Paris and 1st battalion of the 2nd Regiment was sent to Lyon to put both places into state capable of being defended. A 4th battalion was mobilised and sent to La Vendée |
stephen1162 | 10 Jul 2015 3:12 p.m. PST |
Just to clarify, these troops fought at Lutzen, Bautzen, Dresden, Leipzig, and the remnants continued into the campaign of 1814. Stephen |
deadhead | 10 Jul 2015 11:31 p.m. PST |
Well thanks all for such comprehensive replies! |
Markconz | 11 Jul 2015 2:55 a.m. PST |
Fantastic! I've got a couple of Victrix Middle Guard boxes to paint as these. |
Murvihill | 13 Jul 2015 10:11 a.m. PST |
I painted one marine artillery regiment, based on the picture on the back cover of Bowden's 1813 book. Essex had 15mm guard grenadiers in greatcoats and bicornes that looked very close to the picture, and I hadn't seen any other pics of the units so that's what I went with. |
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