"Why I actually support Age of Sigmar" Topic

I've gone full circle with GW. A once and still proud purist of the Old World, I consider messing with the classic Warhammer setting to be akin to messing with the map of Middle Earth. Blasphemy!

However, I also do not play Warhammer competitively. As such, I am not bound to any current edition or any official version of the "world" or curently accepted rules among the competitive community.

I find the AOS rules and warscrolls kind of refreshing in a way. Even though right now it has a lot of balance issues that need to be worked out, it can still be built upon.

As far as the style of the miniatures, I honestly do not see them as being "fantasy versions of 40K Space Marines". I really think they have their own unique look, despite being 40kish. And they are just fantastic sculpts for plastics.

What I like that GW has done, whether you love or hate it, is that they have fleshed out their Old World in what I see as several distinct versions. And as a player you can play in any version of the world you want. If you want The Old World in its classic form, you've got 1st through 8th. If you want End Times version of the world, you've got all the End Times campaign materials and miniatures.

And finally, if you want the Old World blown up and fragmented into different shards of reality, you've got Age of Sigmar.

I personally choose to keep my Warhammer games in the Oldhammer classic world that I know and love. But I also like that I have the freedom if I want to play games in another reality of the world, whether it be the Old World teetering on the brink of destruction, or after its destruction.

The thing that really appeals to me about AOS is that it has almost I daresay a religious/faith quality about it, in which the forces of god so to speak come down to rescue the mortal races from the grips of chaos/evil. It has an engaging Armageddon feel to it. I am not personally religious but I do like the parallels that all religions have of an end times and final battle between good and evil.

As far as the style of the miniatures, I honestly do not see them as being "fantasy versions of 40K Space Marines". I really think they have their own unique look, despite being 40kish. And they are just fantastic sculpts for plastics.

I see "fantasy space marines". IMO, The visual link to the Blood Angels marines is impossible to ignore. Had they gone a slightly different route, it wouldn't be so obvious. That being said, I don't for one minute think the similarities between Sigmarites and space marines wasn't intentional. I think they wanted that connection to the posterboy of their flagship IP. Look at their new lawn ornament.

My beef is with the Khornates. They are stale, 'roid-rage retreads. The Sigmarites at least bring something different to the WHF universe. These just bring more un-needed "extremeness". Did the "B' faction of the new starter box have to be a "familiar" one? Were they afraid the New n' Improved awks or oorcs or whatever might queer the deal?

I personally choose to keep my Warhammer games in the Oldhammer classic world that I know and love.

I'm right there with you. But my big issue is that the "big reveal"- which would never have failed to off a whole lot of fans, no matter HOW it was done- was such a botch job. WAY too many things held back, the and the rules are a muddled mess. Some people have been comparing this to Dreadfleet. I have to say, I can see a similarity.

This has been a weirdly uncomfortable passage into a new era, and a depressingly ugly funeral for the old one.

Can't wait to see the new High Elves and Orks models they should be interesting.

I wonder what are they calling the Dwarves?

Can't be Squats since they killed them off years ago.

Sorry Mithmee, no High Elves, Orks or Dwarves, instead you have Aelf, Orruk and Duardin. All new with an image which will be totally different from the old style and may also be a different scale.

Can't be Squats since they killed them off years ago.

40K space dwarves were all just a mass hallucination. Shower-Fresh Patrick Duffy said so.

If they bring back slann as anything other than enchanted couch potatoes, they might just hook me back in. Out with the scaly, in with the moist!

High Elves, Orks or Dwarves, instead you have Aelf, Orruk and Duardin.

GW can call them what they want but they will still be:

Elves
Orks
Dwarves

Everyone likes different things. That is cool. I prefer 15mm and true 25mm miniatures myself. Armies of Arcana is a great mass battle game (the Warhammer that should have been). Song of Blades and Heroes is my skirmish game of choice.

Lots of true words being said here.
It has been decided by the committee that as you are bravely agreeing to the death of WHF by the Beings that cannot be named, that you get the Noddy badge of courage for your bravery:) me I just want some of those Sigma guys for other nefarious purposes when the kids ge tired of this version of GW wonkienes and I can get em for a song hehehe;)
Cheers

Duardin you can trademark.
Doing the same to Dwarf will be way harder…

I have no issue with AoS's core idea.

A look/style of fantasy with new names so they can protect their IP. Because reality is that sure is what this move looks like and I am okay with that.

But GW has always claimed to be about the hobby, they are a model company, etc. So why did you write <edit for atrocious spelling> rules that has people stacking models on top of each others bases? (and waving a tape measure at every last little part of a model for distance, range, movement, etc, instead of a base)

And the rules feel incomplete, plenty of holes, etc. I get the whole not a tournament set, but I still need the ability to get casual pick up games and have some semblance of balance. This game completely lacks that.

I have seen better rules sets, self published by "lone ranger gamers" here at TMP than what this set appears to be.

And that is the disappointment for me… but then after they killed WMF/WMA, I sort of quite worrying about GW anyway. I just had hopes…. and they crushed them… boo hooo….. <tears welling up, deep sadness has set in>

Well one thing about AoS I could find a use for those 45 High Elves Reavers that I got off of Ebay a few years ago.

You could make for a very nasty mobile army with nothing but Cavalry in it.

They get two attacks each with their bows if within 3" of an enemy unit and if they are outside of 3" they get three attacks.

Throw in Tyrion with his 6 Attacks D3 wounds along with some Dragon Princes, Silver Helms, Mages on Elven Steeds and Chariots.

Yup I bet I can come up with cheesy stuff from the other War Scrolls as well.

Oh and I could run those Reavers in Units of 5, 15 or just one unit of 45.

So either 9 x 15 attacks, 3 x 45 attacks or 1 x 135 attacks.

Shoot unit(s) to pieces then have Tyrion and his Dragon Princes finished them off in hand to hand.

Maybe they do look a bit like Fantasy Space Marines… *shrug*

All I know is that they have convinced me to buy fantasy miniatures for the first time in a hobby ranging over 40 years.

Rules interest me. First figures look crap.

I'll wait. See if the release any decent, non 40k wannabe humans..

The good guys look kind of bad- ass, the criticism that they look too Space Marine comes from SMs looking too much like fantasy Knights. You should see mine…,. They actually look SCI FI with all the junk carefully shaved off. I canned lall the fantasy elements from my 40k gaming years ago including Chaos so I like the AOS minis and ideas. Just games guys, play them all play all editions enjoy yourselves. I promise no one is going to take our toys away. Bring your joy back to games and don't let yourself get wound up in all this meaningless negativity . Play games have fun;D

The more i read. The more it interests me. I just don't like the roid monster look. Still early days and a ton of figures to be released.

Mr. Krieg hit the nail on the head. It is just a game. I have tens of thousands of dollars of models in display cases which I will continue to enjoy no matter what the current rules are. When you have to raise two autistic children you soon realize what is really important in your life and what is not. Anyway, the more I read the game rules the more I think it looks interesting. I play a lot of 15mm sci-fi with the Tomorrow's War rule set and it has no point system at all. So, the lack of a points system in this game really does not bother me. It opens up possibilities (at least to me) rather than diminishes them.

I gave up WFB more than 15 years ago, and my son soon after, but these new rules seem strangely interesting. Now I've read them, they are clearly an attempt to kill off the competition gamers and points counters, and turn it into a skirmish game with premium priced figures.

Quite how the rather silly army list rules will work I'm not sure, but as someone already said they might be a lot of fun with a beer or two.

GW being GW they will monetise the army lists in due course, but until then there is just a chance that some of our old figures might see some action.

I just spotted the rule for Bugman …. Ho Ho Ho …

I detest the new style for the simple reason that I already have 40k miniatures. I don't need (poor quality) 40k knock-offs for fantasy.

Oh, and they look stupid in a way that improbably proportioned GW fantasy orcs never did.