"Age of Sigmar: Threat or Menace...?" Topic

Calcinatio~

As someone who Rage-Quit GW after 3rd ed 40K Dropped,
And then Rage Quit again after WarMaster was Axed,
And then Rage-Quit "For Good this Time" after Fail-Cast became a thing
(That kind of Resin in a hot car with Texas temperatures just don't mix!!)

All That? And Yet:
I am forced to Ponder:

Solutio~

' …Is it Possible that the Age of Sigmar echoes back to
"the Golden Age of Citadel/ GW"
(and in particular the 'Realms of Chaos' Warbands concepts)
thus highlighting many of the ideals of us Grognard _Modelers_….?

'Could GW actually have done something mebbe kind of ok…?

Coagulatio~

I Quote

" a simple game that is
_ defiantly not for tournaments _
but for fun game play with your models against someone else's models.

THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE
…there may be times when you are not sure exactly how
to resolve a situation
 that has come up during play. When this happens,

have a quick chat with your opponent, 
and apply the solution
that makes the most sense to you both (or seems the most fun!).

End Quote
taken from->
link

Sublimatio~

On the Other Claw;
I am certainly willing to entertainthe Notion that all that is that merely shorthand For:
"We couldn't be arsed to compete w/ the HorMachine Rules,
so just look at these pretty-pretty Pictures & give us Money…

Volitilizatio~

Better Tourney games have long since overtaken GW's franchise,
and this just may be (IMHO) them admitting that they are a -Model- company,
and no longer a 'cutting edge Rules house' …
(Certainly Not since Rick Priestly departed anyway)…

Coniunctio~

But I Think I might just try it:
Me…? I'm a Painter, not a Tourney-Jock.
I just wanna show off m'Models (what I already Have, yet!) to m'Mates and have a bit of a Larf (and mebbe a few Pints, because why not..?)

{ And "silly-Fun amusements are quite the "Style of the Times"…}

--~~>

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Here's as good as any other thread to ponder this:

The price of a box used to be indexed against the "number of goblins" – the goblin was the cheapest individual single-miniature base in the game, point-wise. As a result it was the cheapest money-wise. So, a box of ogres, being far more game points than a box of goblins was roughly proportionally more expensive real-money-wise. Both contained roughly the same amount of plastic, from moulds that cost the same to cut, and both moulds would be retired after the same number of castings.

If there are no points in the game now, how will they decide how to screw us?

Could GW actually have done something mebbe kind of ok…?

Or, will all boxes be the same price, now that they know I can buy my ogres from elsewhere for the same price as elsewhere's goblins?

As a a painter/player , I am not a fan of games that measure to and from models instead of bases.

Other people waving measuring tapes at my models to decided they can hit my model at 1" or 2" range?

No thanks.

As someone who Rage-Quit GW after 3rd ed 40K Dropped

Testify!

And then Rage-Quit "For Good this Time" after Fail-Cast became a thing
(That kind of Resin in a hot car with Texas temperatures just don't mix!!)

Really!?

Anyway, Warhammer was sick, and AoS is apparently the bucket o' leeches to make it all better.

GW has come down off their high horse, and the peasant rabble with rusty knives are a lot taller then they looked before…

Wait- this could make a good editorial cartoon! How could we make Mantic look like Henry V?

Other people waving measuring tapes at my models to decided they can hit my model at 1" or 2" range?

No thanks.

Consenting adults can always change the rules to measure from the bases if they wish.

"Consenting adults can always change the rules to measure from the bases if they wish."

I can also completely re-write them.
I could write my own ruleset.
To stay on topic, the OP could have gotten with a consenting adult and re-written 3rd edition and have played it forever.

Personally I look for someone else to write solid decent rules and then play them RAW with other people without having to sit down and hash the rules out every time I meet someone new, or someone blue…

Do people really need measuring tapes to measure ranges as short as 1" or 2"?

I am using GW minis with Saga, and enjoying the games so far. Still working on the battleboards, though.

Are the existing armies (Empire, Skaven, etc) no longer valid with this new AOS release? I know the new are on rounds bases, so if you have existing armies based on 5th or 6th edition, can you still use those?

Tonight I am reading Hail Caesar rules by Rick Priestly. So much fun, no problems or feelings of uneasiness. AND they can be used for Fantasy … Life can be simple if you want it to be.

Are the existing armies (Empire, Skaven, etc) no longer valid with this new AOS release? I know the new are on rounds bases, so if you have existing armies based on 5th or 6th edition, can you still use those?

You can use either square bases or the new rounds ones. Since measuring is now from model to model and not base to base the bases are irrelevant.

Also worth pointing out that even melee attacks have a range (1" for sword-y ones, 2" for spear-y ones"). Base size isn't totally irrelevant, but in most cases isn't going to substantially matter once melees close up. Really, what they've done is to say "shape of base or exact size (20mm vs 25mm, 40mm, vs 50mm) isn't that big a deal." You could be a dick and place ranged troops on 4" radius bases to make them invulnerable to spears and swords, technically. But good luck finding people who won't take one look and tell you where to stick them.

Most of the rules are in the Warscrolls. Don't be mislead by the 4 page core rules being brief.

The legacy warscrolls remind me 100% of previous "back of the book" legacy lists, especially 6th ed WHFB and 3rd ed 40K. They're there to let you get by until the new stuff is released.

What I think we may have seen the end of are army books with all the units listed before the miniatures are ready. I suspect we'll get the equivalent of battalion boxes/starter kits, with the warscrolls included for the units in the box.

Meh. If I want Fantasy Skirmish I will play SOBH/Mordheim/Frostgrave.

Plus the AoS boxed minis are ugly as hell. GW has really jumped the shark.

Also worth pointing out that even melee attacks have a range (1" for sword-y ones, 2" for spear-y ones"). Base size isn't totally irrelevant, but in most cases isn't going to substantially matter once melees close up. Really, what they've done is to say "shape of base or exact size (20mm vs 25mm, 40mm, vs 50mm) isn't that big a deal." You could be a dick and place ranged troops on 4" radius bases to make them invulnerable to spears and swords, technically.

Actually, according to the AoS rules bases do not block movement (models do). This has been interpreted to mean that you can actually move across the bases of other models, and even end up your movement there, standing on top of their base. So if somebody puts models on 4" radius bases, then other players can simply park their models on top of it.

Alternatively, assembling the models with spears, pikes or halberds held vertically would also help them to reach the model in the centre of the big base, since the measurement of distances can presumbaly be done from any point of the model, so you could measure the 2" reach for spear from the tip of the spear held parallel.

So using large bases is not going to produce any advantage, and those looking to abuse basing freedom might find it more advantageous to look if there is something to be gained by trying to make the bases as small as possible (so you can more easily pack a lot of models together into a small area – there is apparently not much of a risk from template weapons at the moment).

Personally, I am not fond of the approach of measuring from model, rather than base, since it seems to lead to even more oddities than seem to be achievable by abusing basing sizes (when measuring from base-to-base).

I don't know who some of you must play against. As Major B said, do you really need to measure 1 inch? If you play against someone who does use gamemanship to win, why play? I'd just politely say, "OK, you won", pack up my stuff and find someone who I could have an enjoyable game against.
Its just a game, its really not worth getting angry about.

Alternatively, assembling the models with spears, pikes or halberds held vertically would also help them to reach the model in the centre of the big base, since the measurement of distances can presumbaly be done from any point of the model, so you could measure the 2" reach for spear from the tip of the spear held parallel.

I'm guessing that 50-pound block of cheese is a fond gift to the power games and the rules rapists.

I can't believe they stuck something like that in there, right out of the gate.