privateer | 05 Jul 2015 6:58 p.m. PST |
Has anyone noticed that a number of UK and EU company's are not deducting the VAT or EU Taxes form export orders? I have sent a number of emails to these companies, some have answered but most have been ignored. While I do not begrudge the manufactures there price I do not like the idea of paying 20% tax to a UK or EU Government. Some manufactures are upfront about it such as Pendraken and 4Ground but others it is very hard to see if the VAT has been deducted such as Westwind, Northstar or Foundry. These are not small companies and they do not even have statements about the VAT on their websites. I would like to order figures that they make but have an issue paying an additional 20% which I could spend on figures. end of rant |
JonFreitag | 05 Jul 2015 7:07 p.m. PST |
Front Rank ALWAYS deducts VAT for U.S. orders. Great company having great product and fast service to the USA. |
privateer | 05 Jul 2015 7:15 p.m. PST |
That's good to know, I have not purchased from them in years, their figures used to be made here in New Zealand. If people know of companies that do deduct the VAT or EU taxes could they post the names here. While I hope it will not stop people purchasing it will allow us as the customer an informed choice about the real cost of our purchases and how much foreign governments are benefiting for a purchase. |
Mako11 | 05 Jul 2015 7:30 p.m. PST |
The good ones either deduct it, and/or use the VAT value which doesn't apply to overseas orders to give us a break on shipping costs. |
x42brown | 05 Jul 2015 7:48 p.m. PST |
A large number of UK miniatures companies are not VAT registered, not having a large enough turnover for registration. x42 |
privateer | 05 Jul 2015 7:58 p.m. PST |
These are not the companies I am talking about even though most are now VAT registered as the Tax laws of the UK are changing and many who were not registered like Pendraken are now registered. As already mentioned Pendraken's shopping site does allow the not UK/EU purchaser to see the the removal of VAT as does 4Ground. |
rxpjks1 | 05 Jul 2015 8:03 p.m. PST |
Perry removes the VAT. Super pleased with their service. |
morrigan | 05 Jul 2015 8:03 p.m. PST |
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Mako11 | 05 Jul 2015 8:14 p.m. PST |
QRF and GZG, IIRC, deduct it, or did. Games of War provides free shipping to international customers, over a certain, very minimal threshold. |
Cyrus the Great | 05 Jul 2015 8:24 p.m. PST |
I have never been charged VAT by any company that I've done business with. |
Mako11 | 05 Jul 2015 11:47 p.m. PST |
You may, or may not be aware of it. A lot of companies now list their pricing as inclusive of VAT, so unless they give you a 20% discount, or a deduction on shipping costs you may have paid for it without knowing. Most that I've dealt with in the past are willing to provide non-VAT pricing on their products, for international buyers, but when some don't reply to inquiries, you can't always tell. I avoid those. |
bsrlee | 05 Jul 2015 11:59 p.m. PST |
If you are really P***ed off with them, just send a polite message to HM Government telling them that you think the company is charging GST and withholding the money from the Government – that should see some action. I have a feeling that it is legal to charge GST on everything as long as the company forwards the money to the Government, getting a 'refund' of GST is a separate process involving more paperwork for the party claiming the refund. As with the recent hoo haa about GST on electronic downloads, it seems the various EU governments are determined to stop their citizens competing in the International marketplace while letting the really big players set up tax havens. |
Jcfrog | 06 Jul 2015 1:45 a.m. PST |
Might be easy or not for the brits to do, but others might have a shamble of paperwork and even minima for it. Even in the Uk I remember my best half having a hard time getting VAT off clothing etc bought there. Not E.U. National going back ). |
Wargamer Blue | 06 Jul 2015 8:34 a.m. PST |
Warlord Games used to take it off but don't anymore. |
PaddySinclair | 06 Jul 2015 8:54 a.m. PST |
This old chestnut :) Any VAT registered company in the UK must not charge VAT to a customer outwith the EU. This does not mean that they have to discount the end price to that customer, just that no part of that price constitutes VAT… However what they are doing should be clear within their Terms and Conditions under the distance selling regulations I believe. Anyway… have a relevant link… link bsrlee, the recent change in VAT rules in the EU is in fact to stop the behaviour of the big internationals underpaying VAT for online transactions (the knock on wasn't pretty for small traders,especially those not VAT registered). |
Weasel | 06 Jul 2015 9:50 a.m. PST |
GZG used to discount it but I'm overdue in ordering, so I dunno if it's still the case. I had one book store tell me that they would only discount it, if the order was done in a really specific way. Didn't want to fuss with it, so I didn't buy anything. |
goragrad | 06 Jul 2015 11:00 a.m. PST |
A few years ago I inquired of Essex their policy and was informed that they deducted. Due to finances I didn't get to order and haven't queried them since. 15mmUK doesn't refund VAT, but on the other hand they only charge a flat 5 pound fee for shipping to US and non EU customers (waived on orders of 75 pounds of more). As other British manufacturers charge 30 to 50 percent shipping and handling to the US I have ordered from 15mmUK and plan to do so again. |
Nic Robson | 06 Jul 2015 7:19 p.m. PST |
We at Eureka don't add GST to any orders outside Australia Nic EUREKA MINIATURES |
Mute Bystander | 07 Jul 2015 3:25 a.m. PST |
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Fried Flintstone | 07 Jul 2015 5:05 p.m. PST |
I'm sure that my American orders include a state sales tax. Is that any different? |
Mute Bystander | 08 Jul 2015 3:36 a.m. PST |
I order from other states and I do not get charged sales tax on those orders. Only sources in Missouri charge me state sales tax. No federal sales tax. |
GeoffQRF | 08 Jul 2015 4:49 a.m. PST |
QRF and GZG, IIRC, deduct it, or did. We don't – we are not VAT registered so there is not VAT to deduct. We were VAT registered for a while a few years back, and did deduct it then. "You must register for VAT if: your VAT taxable turnover is more than £82,000.00 GBP (the 'threshold') in a 12 month period." Very few UK wargames companies are close to that threshold. They can voluntarily register for VAT, but will generally only do so where they are purchasing a lot that has VAT added (so can deduct it). However all the admin involved with recording VAT/non-VAT sales and making quarterly payments on VAT collected on behalf of the UK Government is a right pain and often disproportionate to the 'value' of the value added tax! As other British manufacturers charge 30 to 50 percent shipping and handling to the US We charge 30%, and nearly break even on shipping with that. We could charge less… but that would mean raising prices (as it is still paid for somewhere). Cheap shipping to the US means that domestic/EU customers are paying more, as the cost of shipping further afield has been absorbed into the overall retail price ;-) |
Weasel | 08 Jul 2015 11:14 a.m. PST |
Yeah, orders from a US company absolutely should not be charging you a sales tax if you are abroad unless they are skimming off an extra 10ish % for themselves. |
Vigilant | 06 Aug 2015 5:03 a.m. PST |
Also books in the UK do not have VAT on them, so there would be no reduction sending them outside the EU. |