"A plea for calm. " Topic

The hyperventilating by the professional hyperventilators has always been with us . Virtually 100% of it is merely an act by those "poseurs" who wish to beat their breasts and advertise their "sensitivity," "awareness," and angelic natures. It will burn itself out in about a week more. They really don't give a damn about who they are blaring on about, only in browbeating you with their alleged good nature.

No one is fooled.

No one pays them any real mind except to tar them with even more contempt than they already have.

No one really believes these people or that they are really concerned about anything but their own self-righteousness.

Remember this is a private hobby and a private past-time and we can do as we wish, and what we wish with our time and money, and even if you WANT a whole SS Army group and hate Jews with a passion that exceeds all human understanding, that's right, so long as in this democracy, you do nothing to actually physicaly harm them.

We are, in a government of laws still allowed to hate whom we wish and not like who we deem unlikeable. So long, as I said, you do nothing to physically harm them or aid and abet in that, all is fine.

If you have people in your group of the type who hyperbolize and hyperventilate on the gross injustices done by A to B (and notice how YOU are ALWAYS "A" in that litany) then simply do not invite them to your games.

Believe me you will find far more people coming to your games when they find out that the bloviators are no longer coming.

That's it, game on.

And what brought this up?

The thread "In our seemingly hyperactive PC world…"

I am dubious of pretty much any post or thread interjecting "compare, contrast and pass judgment" on wargaming history or fiction set alongside contemporary policy and culture.

I regard these as thinly veiled attempts to troll and stir the pot. It is hard not to get caught up in them, but they can be ignored. Usually.

Anyone thinking they are effecting change or stopping it in this very niche page are deluded. All it does is ruin the very slight degree of fellowship that remains which pertains to discussing our hobby.

I've had posts of mine to this effect deleted because they might be considered malicious, but perhaps this one will stand.

These artificial tempests in teapots are tedious, divisive and pathetically lame. IMO they contribute to a general decline, lack of participation and caution that eats away at the core of the original purpose of the site. Other than saying that, and trying to not get caught up in the trolling, there is no more I can think of for the individual member to do which would hold the decline back, or to at least slow it.

On the other hand, I can take comfort in the fact that it is not my place, and not my problem.

If nothing else, this topic has introduced me to hyperbolize and bloviator.

DBDD

"Remember this is a private hobby and a private past-time and we can do as we wish, and what we wish with our time and money, and even if you WANT a whole SS Army group and hate Jews with a passion that exceeds all human understanding, that's right, so long as in this democracy, you do nothing to actually physicaly harm them."

Has someone physically harmed someone for their wargaming army, or even their political beliefs around here lately? If not, then are you on about?

Bloviate is a wonderful word.

blo·vi·ate
ˈblōvēˌāt/
verbUSinformal
verb: bloviate; 3rd person present: bloviates; past tense: bloviated; past participle: bloviated; gerund or present participle: bloviating

talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.

@Intrepide – yes, I just looked it up and I have to say that, as well as being a most satisfactory word to look at, it seems highly appropriate to this topic.

DBDD

Intrepide +1

LOL. Can I Bloviate my spin action at the next Ten Pin tournament?
Hey life is tooo short gents paint and play as much as you can before its to late.
Cheers and a fond fairwell to my mate Mark, go with a 6.

I thought bloviate was blog violator…

Sniff.sniff.. I smell Bloviate.
I think I prefer male cow excretory product B word.

I guess the topic vanished.

It's a good example of what happens when you surround yourself with people who are paranoid and want you to be agitated and fearful.

I used to work with a few people like that: They only post on political forums that are slanted far to their side and they end up with these really crazy persecution complexes where everything is an attack on them or part of the great conspiracy.

Dear Weasel

That is a problem that agitates me extremely and has troubled me greatly for the last year or so. I have three friends who are being driven almost to insanity by the paranoia and hyperventilation and hysteria of both sides and are suffering from these persecution complexes. They're neither stupid nor ignorant, but they feed on these tales of what "the gubbamind" is about to do to them or what the right wing crazies are going to do to them, that their marriage in one case is literally falling apart and they are planning bug-outs to their hunker bunkers, and no amount of rational persuasion or pleading will move them. They are ruining their lives and their families lives because they are.

Well, my conspiracy theory (I love a good conspiracy theory) is that the agitators realize that such activity easily distracts the public from actual issues.

It is practically impossible to say anything substantive about the current "hot topics" for more than two sentences without people telling you what you are a denier of or who you are trying to subjugate.

While it is a conspiracy theory (that is, I don't really believe it as a massive, coordinated undertaking and I can't substantiate any parts of it … good stuff, conspiracy theories), there are people who are particularly adept at driving the conversation into inaneville where nothing productive will result. And the media buys it. Or is complicity. Or is apathetic to anything other than what will bring in the most advertising dollars.

I think OSchmidt is concerned about why the public at large (and his friends in particular) would just go along with it, willingly.

Maybe this is a Buddist thing the sound of one hand clapping and all? Or maybe not.

Dear Etotheipi

Yes to both. I am concerned with the abdication of even rational observation. I remember back in the time when churches were in the throes of the AD&D hysteria. My church in particular was afflicted with this. I remember hearing the stories of devil worship over the board, and kids learning to summon demons. They were all shocked when I told them that I played D&D and KNEW a lot of the originators of D&D and acquainted them with some cardinal facts (like there was no "Board"). They thought it was a Ouija board that was used. I rationally explained it all, showed them the books and materials explained it painstakingly, all to no effect. They saw the light for a moment, then I saw it flicker out and they were back to believing the devil worship thing. One guy in fact said that he read in one source that over 100,000 people a year were sacrificed in satanic rituals. I said to him, and them..

Wait a minute! WORK THE NUMBERS! There are over 50,000 names on the wall of the Vietnam War Memorial. Everyone either knows someone who is "on the wall" or knows someone who knows someone on the wall." Now that was a war that went on for more than Decade? 100,000 a year sacrificed in devil worship? That would be over a million people gone in the same time! Does ANYONE in this room know ANYONE who has been sacrificed in demonic rituals over the past 10 years, and does anyone know anyone who knows one? No one did. For a moment again, the flicker of the light behind the eyes, then it went out.

One guy in the group insisted that this just proved how insidious and powerful the demon worshippers were that they could cover their tracks, hide the bodies, and gasp! yes-- even wipe out the memories of people of those people abducted and sacrificed. I told him of the medieval inquisitors who were convinced, CONVINCED that behind all heresies, all secret societies, there was the Super Heresy of "The Brotherhood of the Common Life (no that's not the Fransiscans)" that was the ultimate heresy that controlled them all. They could never in all their inquisitions, tortures, hearings etc ever find one shred of evidence they existed. And they believed this was the proof that they were so powerful. The guy in my church did not see the irony or the connection and in fact just said "See--- they ARE that powerful!"

Now these are not unintelligent people. They were neither stupid or bigoted or delusional. They were all honest hardworking people, but their fears had put this idea into their head and people they trusted and liked thought this was the way it was, so they gave them the benefit of the doubt, and believed.

The reason was that it suited their philosophy, their world view, their believe in the way the universe was constructed and that's why they kept it. It made their world make sense. And perfectly rational hard-working, loveable good people made their lives hag-ridden with fear and paranoia.

I see this both on the left and the right and there are persons on both sides who propogate these myths.

Another friend insists that I clean out and delete all e-mails I send to her, and do not talk about certain things over the phone because the government is listening and recording everything. She is convinced that the Government is any day now going to smash in their door and look for drugs and when they don't find them arrest her and her family and take her off to a forced labor camp where the lefties are going to enslave them.

In vain do I ask if she's ever seen any smashed in doors in her neighborhood, or heard of their neighbors being hauled away (At least in Germany you saw the Jews being lined up in the street for deportation).

In vain do I tell all these people that if the President of the United States can't enjoy a good cigar with his chubby little intern in the Oval Office without the dress getting spread across the New York Times, the Aliens in Roswell got NO chance of being kept secret.

The problem is two fold. That people BELIVE this drivel and that there are people who love to make people miserable with their bloviation and purveying of this drivel.

That's kind of the key to a lot of conspiracies.

If they were true, it'd take far too many people staying quiet and honestly, the people in the gubermint just ain't that smart.

Usually there's a simpler, more boring explanation: Someone was owed a favour or someone got paid.

On the D&D thing, a lot of people would be surprised to learn that Gygax was a devout Christian (Mormon maybe? I forget which denomination).

There's a reason all the good guys have bible-inspired powers (with a dash of Three Hearts and Three Lions thrown in) :-)

Dear Weasel

It's not that they would be required to be smart. It would be required that they simply keep their yaps shut!

They can't do this, it's too easy to tell what you know to impress, to be the center of attention, to be the life of the party, and most of all, if they don't know anything, they'll make it up!

Then it's just to hear themselves talk, or more accurately to feel sorry for themselves or play that most favored game of males in groups "Wann Ich Koenig War." (If I were king.)

It's like one of the old hoary chestnuts about conservatives. (I'm a right winger myself). I have friends who rail on about Social Security and they should cut it off completely! So I sart asking them what they mean by that, and after a pile of "Yes OK, but what are you going to do about…." Or "Have you thought about this…." It's the same with the lefties who want to confizcate all the wealth of the 1% or the Church" Once you get asking about the details, eventually the whole thing dissolves into a bunch of vague statements and they don't really want to get rid of them or it at all! They had their FICA go up or their hospitalization take a bigger bite out of their paycheck, or they heard about some rich guy buying a yacht.

We can all of us feel sorry for ourselves now and then, and we all have a right to. Life is pretty hard when you come down to it, but just because you have a flat tire on the way home it doesn't mean there's a conspiracy of automotive shops spreading nails on the roads.

I remember telling the people in church that virtually ALL the people who play D&d play lawful, honorable heroic characters, and those that don't usually get done in by their buddies because they're too untrustworthy to have around.

"Please understand, we're carving you into chutney NOT because you're a devil worshipper, but because you steal from us… and besides you tried to sell us out to the dragon."

Weasel, a lot of Christians play D&D with no issues, guilt or admonition from their fellow Christian peers. It's no more sane and rational to attribute all negative practices and beliefs that some Christians have to that whole population than it is to attribute all negative actions done by some (insert race, sexual orientation, ethnic minority, etc., here) do to their whole communities.

Yet I hear all the time from supposedly enlightened people, "I couldn't read/play that, it was written by a <dun dun dun> Christian! They are just trying to subliminally impart their beliefs on the rest of us!" with a straight face when they would rather be caught dead than say something as stupid as "I couldn't read/play that, it was written by a (insert race, sexual orientation, ethnic minority, here)! They are just trying to subliminally impart their beliefs on the rest of us!"

Then I'll hear how some Christian somewhere did them wrong, which is no less anecdotal than someone's bigoted aunt going on about how her friend Gertrude was mugged by one of those (insert race, sexual orientation, ethnic minorities) and therefore all of THOSE people are lesser beings.

In some circles Christian (or Jewish, or Islamic, or any folks of faith) cooties are real, while race, sexual orientation, ethnic minority within a race cooties are not. People can be very blind to their own prejudices and bigotry while standing on a pedestal of diversity of inclusion (that is neither diverse nor inclusionary).

Frankly, it feels like the same level of idiocy we had a 100 years ago, but the names have changed and the people who feel morally superior are different. Bigotry seems to not necessarily die, just migrate.

That's not to say there aren't stupid, bigoted people of faith. Every family's got 'em, including the faithful. It's just sad that while we make strides to eliminate old hatred, all new hatred take it's place.

(Oh, and I'm not trying to say you believe any of that Weasel, I was just making my original point in response to Gary being a Christian and that it's not really that weird.)

On the D&D thing, a lot of people would be surprised to learn that Gygax was a devout Christian (Mormon maybe? I forget which denomination).

According to one source, Gygax identified himself as a "born again Christian." link

In another source, he identified as a "Christian" as early as 1969. link

There are reports/rumors that he was a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses at some point; though some believe he was joking. link

Yeah, I don't think it was Mormon, now that you guys mention it.
I just remember it was one of the smaller denominations (smaller compared to, say, the catholic church).

And I really didn't want to dredge up a long discussion about religion in roleplaying games :-)
Just brought it up because we were talking about some of the "D&D panic" that hit the US in the 70s or 80's and a lot of people aren't aware that Gygax was indeed a man of faith.
I don't know if Arneson was, he always seemed to be a pretty private individual.

Of course, in early RPG circles, you found a bit of everything. Greg Stafford is some brand of Pagan (which is very evident when you read Runequest) and meanwhile, regardless of the designers beliefs, religion is barely mentioned (if at all) in Traveller.

I don't know if Arneson was, he always seemed to be a pretty private individual.

He left Flying Buffalo to go on a year-long religious mission to San Francisco…. but what religion, I do not know.

the government is listening and recording everything

I love this conspiracy theory! Please pass it around. Do the numbers, 6B phone calls in the US a day for 1.7M civil servants. That's about 3,500 a day per civil servant. 24/7.

As a member of the oppressive gubbamint, I would like to personally thank you for how capable and efficient you think we are.

We rail about the government but then feely click the "terms of use" box that DOES allow some company to freely track us… Just crazy

Etotheipi – So THAT's why they're always hiring! :D

I class believing in this kind of conspiracy theory as a classic symptom of stupidity and lack of intelligence.

That inability to screen out the obviously impossible (or at best wildly improbable) is surely an indicator that something is not working correctly in their grey matter.

That inability to screen out the obviously impossible (or at best wildly improbable) is surely an indicator that something is not working correctly in their grey matter.

I tend to think its due to the lack of teaching rhetoric and logic in schools. In the above example, where OSchmidt asked seemingly intelligent people to "run the numbers", it is possible that they couldn't hold on to the concept because they had no faith (through practice) in their understanding of a structured argument. This leaves people prey to good-sounding visceral arguments.

Dear Gildas Fact

I'm not so dismissive of these people, at least the ones I know. They aren't stupid, and they aren't malicious, mean, or evil. But after a lifetime of studying history, philosophy and animal behavior I have come to the conclusion that people do not think rationally--- EVER!

Oh yes YOU can be quite erudite and logical, dispassioned and rational abort my problems and my life, as I could about yours were the situation reversed, but when it comes to me and mine, or you and yours rationality goes out the window and we think with our passions and emotions (think I'm wrong? Recall what you did when you were madly, desperately in love with your significant other, your four year old was running a 103 degree fever and in pain, or you just got fired.

In life when it comes to us and our own, reason goes out the window and it's the sum of our fears and hopes, and we simply do not think rationally. In fact, reason comes in only after the fact, that is, in the 'rationalization" part which supplies the excuses, alibis, and fig-leafs to explain our completely stupid responses.

These people adopt these things because it's the perversion of reason, but it is another, different simultaneous "world" where the reason and the logic of the conspiracy provides them all the proof they need to carry on their life and face the next day.

I feel sorry for these people. They are my friends, I want to help. I would hope they would help me if I ever go Potty in the head because my wife is rushed to the hospital, or things like that.

As to rhetoric and logic I whole heartedly agree. My Father taught me at a fairly young age….. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. I discovered on my own how many people suffer and languish under Willfull stupidity. That is not to say they are unintelligent , they just tend toward willful stupidity. Many are right to be distrustful of governments. Laughing at or deriding them may amuse some, but that is a sad and lazy approach. The reasons to remain wary and vigilant toward Governments are plain enough to deduce from history and current events. Education, conscience self understanding and Occums Razor are the remedy for fear, ignorance and willful stupidity.

Sorry Otto, can't see how any of what you say about reactions under stress have to do with people believing that D&D summons up demons or that we are on the brink of global collapse.

I never was fired or any of the other things you mention but I do tend to be rather level headed and cope with such situations. Strangely it is more trivial things that often set me off on mildly irrational rants.

Dear Gildas Facit

It is not just reactions under stress. You cannot connect specific beliefs to specific situations. People make up their philosophy as they go along and they believe whatever they have to believe to get them through the day and not take the gas pipe. Sometimes these are rather unusual and bizarre. It makes them neither stupid or evil.

The universe does not seem to have been designed with human happiness in mind. Therefore it is up to each of us to make our way and explain what we see and what happens by our own means and by our own methods. It is up to us to make our own happiness and sooth our own fears as best we can.

You are a lucky man if you have never had these crisis befall you. God Grant that you never do, and that you can live life without these things. But do not pat yourself on the back too much. The Angel, or the Demon in charge of irony may hear. You may think you are level headed now, but when the fears crowd round you and you are beset by them and circumstances against which you have no hope or control, orrecourse, then you shall judge how much better you are than those who give in to the irrational, and they have given in to it because they lose hope.

I know a man who is trapped in his job (he is too old to retrain, his chosen profession is dying off.) and the places of employment for him are moving overseas or closing down. He is too old to move to a new job (no one wants to hire an older guy), and to make matters worse his boss is a perfect monster who makes his life a hell because he boss KNOWS he is trapped. His wife suffers from a few bad but non fatal ailments. His children are good, wonderful kids, trying to do their best, but he is terrified he will die and leave them unprovided for . Life has conspired to give him just enough to survive but not build up many surpluss.

The night is a terror for him as the stress of the day and worries of his life assail him. He is becoming more and more irrational and believing in things that ten years ago he would have scoffed at. He lives in mortal dread of hitting a deer and totaling his car, or his water heater going boom. He is desperately trying to hang on till he can collect social security, and suffers every humiliation you can imagine to avoid giving his boss any excuse to fire him. His wife tells me she sees him shaking and trembling at night in their bed. He can't afford psychiatric help.

He is not a singular case.

Let me know how you do when life has you boxed in like a cornered rat.

Horace once said "We life live not as we wish, but as we can."

I will tell you a tale of life.

There was a girl in he schools here. She was a pretty girl, nice girl, but her family were pretty much trailer-park trash. She was, as I said, a pretty girl, only about 14, but she had very bad teeth. Genetics and bad care you know… Anyway many of the teachers tried to take her under their wing because she was a smart girl and a lively one. They thought that if they could help her with her teeth she could gain the confidence to come out of her shell a little so they took up a collection to try and help. One of the teachers, a friend of mine, told me about this and I ante'd up a nice chunk of it.

We fixed her teeth, and she was fine, and the teachers tried to push her forward.

Then I heard the rest of the story. They tried to get her a scholarship to a college and get her prepared for it. The girl said to them the following.

She was grateful for what we wanted to do but she said "I don't know what you people want from me. I don't understand why you can't leave me alone. I know what's going to happen to me, it will be just like my two sisters. I'll meet some guy in a bar, get pregnant and drop out, I'll go to work. I'll marry some guy, he'll beat me, get me pregnant, and live off the welfare I get or the odd jobs I get. That's simply the way it is with people like us. There's no use changing, that's the way it's always been. There's nothing that can be done about it. " She had learned all the stories, all the excuses, all the fables and conspiracies that "kept her down" and she completely internalized them.

She wasn't willfully stupid, or even just plain stupid. This was the "universe" she and her whole family had grownup in.

My original point in this was about the myths about confederate flags and religion and other things. These are all things that inflame peoples minds and are irrational fears which even among a group as well educated, blessed with resources, and as smart as us take hold. it can happen to anyone when our fears take over.

Some day I'll tell you about the Guanieries.

Hey Ottoathome, I liked your stories, unfortunately there are countless stories like that if you look around. I started the original topic because, here we are in 2015 and a confederate flag is causing recalls/trade in at Walmart, parks boycotted, Dukes of Hazzard tv show taken off a channel because of the flag and other protests. Sure this hobby is a very small niche in society and might never be known to outsiders. There are many things becoming unacceptable to current thinking. It was meant to be a what if. So the topic was controversial and pulled I guess.

But for those who think nothing is happening, its all in someone's mind, I sure the many citizens of Germany thought everything was cool with Hitler and the Nazis up to concentration camps and crossing the border into Poland.

Dear Jammer man

The ubiquitous nature of the stories does not diminish their poignancy.

On your original topic The kerfuffle over the Confederate flag which has been around for oh- 150 years or so has only moved into overdrive because of the shootings in the church in South Carolina, and the clamoring of the "poseurs" to glorify themselves, and to pander.

As to your statement "But for those who think nothing is happening, its all in someone's mind, I[am] sure the many citizens of Germany thought everything was cool with Hitler and the Nazis up to concentration camps and crossing the border into Poland.

A bit late for the Confederacy isn't it, and we did after all win right? So if the Flag of Isis is loved and honored and it's OK for a Walmart to put it on a birthday cake, then why not the Confederate flag? Or is it not "sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Oh man, Hitler comparisons and I haven't even had my morning tea yet.

I certainly picked the wrong month to start a Confederate army…

You didn't hear though? Everything is banned forever and the third civil war has already started, just as people foretold.

Oops. I'd better order my flags now…

1st Vermont Brigade or GTFO :-)

I've dipped into this thread a few times & I'm puzzled as to what it's about. As near as I can figure, because some people, some US companies & some authorities no longer wish to associate themselves with a flag, it's an issue?

Is there an official & blanket ban? Storm in a teacup?

I know a man who is trapped in his job

Is this you, Otto? Is this the issue? If so I sympathise & see your need to vent.

I found your Cautionary Tale of the dentally challenged Teen needs comment.

I worked for several decades with under privileged Youth. I now work with privileged Youth who have a whole different but equally difficult set of problems.
Although the story you tell is not totally implausible as, for instance, children of the generationally unemployed do not necessarily appreciate the concept of improving their lot, I thought the label of 'Trailer Trash' shows that if you want to alienate those you're trying to help by disrespecting their family & community, you're on the right track. Indeed the "quick fix" of dental work is also so facile as to show this Tale is probably no more than a justification for not trying to help those who need it: "ungrateful wretches".
For a pretty cool take on this matter see Matthew 6:1-4

I do think it wise not to be too judgemental & apply your standards in a rigid & iron-bound way on others. We humans are a diverse lot. It's possible to live in a slum & even have bad teeth & be happy. Further, I don't think it impossible in a society for there to be amiable co-existence between those who shun the 'Stars & Bars' & those who venerate it.

Dear Ochoin

Not me at all. I have no children and I am through my real-estate investments far more independent. My wife is in fairly good health. No, he is a friend and something of a poor soul.

It's obvious you're cruising for a fight. I am amazed at your omniscience as to know everything. The phrase trailer park trash was so that YOU could understand what the situation was. The people involved with helping her never used that term to her or insulted her.

So you can insult me all you wish, I have broad shoulders and will continue the work with the miserable.

As for your quoting of Matthew 6 1:4 I understand that it is a pain for you to read that others do things. The point of my post was NOT the help that I gave, that was nothing, the point was that people get into a slough of despair and despondency and they give up. That was the point of the post, and as to why people do and believe in irrational things.

Now you go read James 2 15:20. I did not know he girl, my friends knew her. They followed God and helped the girl. Nice that you worked with underpricvaleged people. But did you follow Jamess? The people who helped the girl followed God.

Note, YOU said "ungrateful wretches" which is no part of the readings of Matthew 6:1-4, So explain to me how this tale is a justification for not trying to help those who don't need it. They helped, we all helped. We do it all the time. The girl was not ungrateful. She just was beaten down, demoralized and downtrodden.

As I said, you're looking for a fight and you're not going to get it.

It is significant that you can't see the real reason for the post, which has nothing to with flags.

It's why people act and believe what they do.

I'm glad to hear your boss isn't bullying you etc. That would be unpleasant & a person suffering would not see the obvious solutions & probably seek validation through posting about their wisdom on forae etc.

It's obvious you're cruising for a fight

Not me, pal.

I/we don't use the phrase "trailer trash" so it wasn't for me at all.Indeed, it's a phrase I've read in your posts several times.

IF the point of your thread was about being ground down, well, yes. Was that it?

"ungrateful wretches" was in inverted commas. This indicates it is a quote ie in this case, a suggestion of what might be said by others. It's a bit hard if I have to explain English usage to you as well.

If you only "help" people to get some sort of credit it for it &/or blame them if they don't fit your image then you are not helping at all.

Can I suggest your personal happiness might be found in not judging the actions of others eg "demoralised & downtrodden"?

By all means help others but don't seek credit elsewhere.

BTW how important is it that the Teen in question is a girl? It seems irrelevant to me and it seems to be emphasised or am I reading this wrongly?

BBTW your Biblical reference doesn't seem to add anything relevant to this discussion.

Told you, you're cruising for a fight and I'm not giving it to you.

And I told you not.

Don't want to discuss? Fine.

OK, guys … take a breath (see the title).

Can somebody make another Hitler reference to calm things down a bit?

;)

Thanks for the reminder, etotheipi but I'm not getting hot under the collar. Truly.

I regard Otto, in the immortal words of Douglas Adams, as "mostly harmless". Long may he bloviate!

But as a long time member of the "helping people industry" I have a, I hope, valid or opinion or two.

Anyway, as in indicated, I'm done.

I put forward that Hitler was innocent. It was all a false flag operation so the US could use its Marshall plan to controll Europe. The guy we know as Hitler was an Italian American actor called Georgio Clamence, hired for the job, if you listen to some of "Hitlers" speeches you can hear a hint of Italian American through his Austrian German.

Well, you certainly can't argue with that …