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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian24 Jun 2015 11:13 a.m. PST

A jawbone found in Romania more than a decade ago provides the first genetic evidence that humans and Neanderthals knocked boots in Europe before the latter disappeared between 35,000 and 40,000 years ago.

Scientists who came across the bone of one of the earliest modern humans in Europe in a cave known as Pestera cu Oase noticed it had both modern human and Neanderthal traits.

Now, a study of the bone's DNA—made possible by recent technological advances—explains why. "The sample is more closely related to Neanderthals than any other modern human we've ever looked at before," Harvard researcher David Reich explains in a press release…

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Double W24 Jun 2015 11:35 a.m. PST

"Knocked boots"? I would've gone for "bumped uglies." They were cavemen – they probably didn't look too good.

Apologies to any cavemen who may be reading this.

Winston Smith24 Jun 2015 12:08 p.m. PST

How do we know they were ugly?
Have you looked in a mirror lately? grin

Korvessa24 Jun 2015 12:44 p.m. PST

Pretty sure some of my in-laws are Neanderthals

Personal logo Unlucky General Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2015 12:56 p.m. PST

I suspect that one of the things we are going to find is that Caucasian humans are probably a hybrid of neanderthal and homo-sapien. If so people are going to have to re-evaluate the cultural cringe against neanderthal.

MHoxie24 Jun 2015 1:05 p.m. PST
Winston Smith24 Jun 2015 1:20 p.m. PST

If they can interbreed they are not separate species.

Sir Walter Rlyeh24 Jun 2015 2:01 p.m. PST

Winston, Tigers and Lions?

whitejamest24 Jun 2015 3:47 p.m. PST

I think what Mr. Smith is pointing out is that if they can interbreed and produce offspring that are themselves fertile, they aren't exactly separate species. Lions and tigers can create offspring, but the offspring is sterile. Same with horses and mules. Donkeys usually can't reproduce. So I guess we should be thinking about neanderthals and homo sapiens as different breeds of the same species?

gamershs24 Jun 2015 4:09 p.m. PST

The whole homo sapiens race was reduced to about 30,000 beings about 30,000 thousand years ago. Thus inter breading may be a moot point if humans and Neanderthals and any cross breading all died out.

Grelber24 Jun 2015 6:06 p.m. PST

One theory is that interbreeding of Nenaderthals from the north and homo sapiens coming up from the south was a relatively quick way for the southerners to get cold weather genes.

Sadly, you can already go looking and find websites and blogs claiming that those of us descended from this mix are superior to other humans. Kind of like the Master Race concept.

Grelber

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian24 Jun 2015 7:56 p.m. PST

As the article says, "…all people except sub-Saharan Africans share 1% to 4% of their DNA with Neanderthals today."

John the OFM24 Jun 2015 8:35 p.m. PST

Thank you whitejamest. That is exactly what I, err, Winston meant.

Tgerritsen Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2015 8:45 p.m. PST

Except that it's Donkeys that are interbred with horses to make Mules, not the other way around. It's mules that can't breed. Helpfully, yours.

Tim

platypus01au25 Jun 2015 6:25 a.m. PST

Tim is right, though I think whitejamest probably just accidentally mixed them up.

And John, the "can't interbreed" thing hasn't been a definition of species for decades, especially since the development of DNA electrophoresis and the rise of the gel-jockey.

The Wikipedia article on Species is very good, though technical.

JohnG

whitejamest25 Jun 2015 9:00 a.m. PST

Whoops, yes, thank you for the donkey v. mule fix. Can you tell I'm a city slicker yet?

Zargon26 Jun 2015 10:44 a.m. PST

Sooo, can you get a Neanderthal-American? Too much Eugenics talk me thinks :) BTW anyone remember 'Quest for Fire' that was a cool movie
Cheers,When Ug meet Doug it was love at first sight ;D

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