TheKing30 | 24 Jun 2015 5:16 a.m. PST |
Good morning Has anyone heard anything regarding the results of the HMGS elections? |
OSchmidt | 24 Jun 2015 5:50 a.m. PST |
No one has. I was talking to Kevin Kelley last week and he said even he, the treasurer had not heard the results. Remember, with all of 200 or so people voting it's a huge job to count the votes. It's all those dangling chads.
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Razor78 | 24 Jun 2015 5:59 a.m. PST |
I only know of two Chads that were eligible to vote, and neither one has the last name of Dangling!! Voter Fraud!! |
Der Alte Fritz | 24 Jun 2015 6:08 a.m. PST |
Still waiting for a few precincts in Chicago to deliver their vote tallies. |
Mute Bystander | 24 Jun 2015 6:37 a.m. PST |
I suspect that the results will make no change in the rancor. |
nazrat | 24 Jun 2015 6:46 a.m. PST |
You said it, MB! Those that go on and on and ON about all the fraud and corruption in our tiny little toy soldier club will ALWAYS find things to complain about, no matter how little they are justified. Play games, have fun. 'Nuff said! |
OSchmidt | 24 Jun 2015 6:46 a.m. PST |
Dear Mute Bystander I am hopeful, but indifferent. With only about 200 people voting and over 100 getting free rooms and free stuff at the conventions, the odds of change from anything other than a ringing endorsement of the status quo (tending more and more as the years go on to resemble a North Korean plebescite) are vanishingly small. Nevertheless, the blame does not rest with the self-interested, rather it is with the remainder of the 1700 people who ARE members of the HMGS who do not vote. Corruption will beat apathy 100 times out of 100. What amazes me is the number of people who will sniff and look down their noses at the HMGS and say how doing anything with them, like voting is beneath them. Yet these are the most vocal complainers and cry-babies about what goes on. Getting involved will cost you a little time and a first class stamp, an extreme and titanic burden to the slothful. |
M1Fanboy | 24 Jun 2015 7:03 a.m. PST |
I wanted to vote, but never got my ballot, and yes, I did make a stink about it. |
Long Valley Gamer | 24 Jun 2015 7:43 a.m. PST |
Hey Fanboy, I wanted to vote for 2 years and couldn't. First off I'm a member in good standing. I did not receive a ballot last year and complained. I did not receive another ballot so I couldn't vote. This year the same thing happened. I was in Europe for 3 weeks and when I came home I didn't have a ballot. I complained and was told I was past the deadline to vote. This was at least a month before the results were to be published. The amazing thing is they had a record of me not receiving a ballot last year(they told me this) and didn't make an effort to make things right. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but something Stinks!!! |
Sundance | 24 Jun 2015 7:54 a.m. PST |
Stopped giving them my money a long time ago because of the BS. Won't give them any more. Got ballots late, didn't get ballots, etc. Obviously things haven't changed and probably won't. |
historygamer | 24 Jun 2015 8:12 a.m. PST |
"…over 100 getting free rooms and free stuff at the conventions…" Free rooms and free stuff? Who is getting something for nothing? |
OSchmidt | 24 Jun 2015 8:12 a.m. PST |
Dear M1 Fanboy and Long Valley Gamer Do you live in the Northeast. I heard a rumor people in the North East weren't being sent ballots but I can't believe that is official policy. I would make a complaint to the IRS. That will get the attention of HMGS real quick. Otto |
Stepman3 | 24 Jun 2015 8:39 a.m. PST |
I never got my ballot…I'm in Maryland… |
47Ronin | 24 Jun 2015 8:47 a.m. PST |
Other members have failed to receive ballots in the past. It's not always the fault of the member or the U.S. Postal Service. Some issues have been resolved and (obviously) some have not. I belong to other organizations and associations that have elections. In many of them, secure on line voting for all members is the norm. Even if you won't use a more up to date system, the lack of postage paid return envelopes for the ballots is ridiculous, especially for an organization with $300,000 USD in the bank. The effect is to reduce voter participation, which is what some people may want. Having said all that, I can understand why the process is taking so long this time around. Not only do they have to count ballots for a record number of candidates, but they also have to count the results on the proposed changes to the bylaws. That's neither a defense nor an excuse, just an explanation. Either way, I think we'll see and soon. Historicon is in about three weeks and the new BOD will meet there. I would expect the results to be made public before the July 4th holiday. If not, then something is seriously wrong. Like I said, we'll see. |
redbanner4145 | 24 Jun 2015 8:49 a.m. PST |
I've always gotten my ballot. |
Tachikoma | 24 Jun 2015 9:01 a.m. PST |
There's more than one HMGS chapter…. |
Mako11 | 24 Jun 2015 11:29 a.m. PST |
Perhaps people didn't vote, since they didn't know about the individuals, or what they stand for, so didn't want to just guess, and end up with poor leadership. Best to perhaps leave it to those that do know the situation, rather than just nullifying their vote(s). |
historygamer | 24 Jun 2015 12:17 p.m. PST |
It's hard to vote when you don't know what role that person will be fulfilling on the BOD. They may be "given" a position they aren't well suited for by the majority of the BOD who decide to keep their positions. It is also hard to tell how the current BOD is performing as the BOD minutes are either not available, hard to find, or horribly out of date. The old site bounces you to the new YM site, which does not have BOD minutes available. |
nazrat | 24 Jun 2015 2:09 p.m. PST |
More bitching from Historygamer. You could knock me over with a feather… To the issue at hand-- I did not receive a ballot either, but after bringing it up on the HMGS Yahoo Group Mr. Curtis cleared up the problem and I had it within a few days. Paying for a stamp is no problem, and if it is for anybody then they shouldn't be a member of a war gaming group at all. If you can't afford a stamp you can't afford models, paint, and flock, nor to attend a convention. Sheesh! |
holien | 24 Jun 2015 2:27 p.m. PST |
I sent my vote from the UK and the stamp was expensive, but worth it…. |
McKinstry | 24 Jun 2015 2:31 p.m. PST |
I got my ballot and sent it in. No idea why so many aren't getting out to members. |
Long Valley Gamer | 24 Jun 2015 2:55 p.m. PST |
By the way…I am from the Northeast… |
Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy | 24 Jun 2015 7:19 p.m. PST |
Why can't they vote online through your registered account? |
Long Valley Gamer | 24 Jun 2015 7:42 p.m. PST |
This is the response I got back from James Dave, We have been doing ballots this same way for years and not sure why you are not getting it. I am going to put a trace on yours and see if we can learn something. I am going to put a trace on your ballot and see if we can see if it gets lost along the way or if it was was returned. Does anyone else live in your household that might throw the ballot away as junk mail? I will let you know what I find out. Next year please let me know sooner as I would have had another ballot sent to you. I see where you talked with me about ballot last year. I sent a second ballot to you last year. Did you not get that one either? Thanks James No, I didn't get the 2nd ballot last year either and no one here throws away my mail. How do you put a trace on a mailed letter if not registered? I never heard back from James either…. The first year I let it go…This year I'm ticked off in principle… |
Bowman | 25 Jun 2015 6:46 a.m. PST |
I'm from Canada and I got my ballot in plenty of time to vote. Does anyone know when the results should be announced? |
historygamer | 25 Jun 2015 7:38 a.m. PST |
Sorry Nazrat for trying to be an informed member. Didn't mean to upset you delicate sensibilities. So tell us all how you make an informed opinion how to vote? |
M1Fanboy | 25 Jun 2015 1:50 p.m. PST |
I did not get my ballot either. I live in VA for those wondering by the way. |
HMS Exeter | 25 Jun 2015 3:07 p.m. PST |
The By Laws say results have to be announced not less than 14 days prior to the Annual Meeting. I figure that would mean July 3. |
Bowman | 26 Jun 2015 7:39 a.m. PST |
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vicmagpa1 | 26 Jun 2015 3:14 p.m. PST |
i did not get one either. even with help. but i want my cranky yankee shirt in phillies red. |
SalTony | 27 Jun 2015 6:33 a.m. PST |
I Also did not receive a ballot and e mailed to make a stink and a few weeks later just before deadline I got it and mailed it BACK, btw I Live in NYC. To get more members to vote why don't they give ballots at a convention? |
Diocletian284 | 27 Jun 2015 6:45 a.m. PST |
I agree with the suggestion for online voting options. The technology exits and it looks like the organization has the money to spend on some technology. Mailing ballets has its cost plus paying for the service to count ballets. |
Blutarski | 27 Jun 2015 7:29 a.m. PST |
OTOH, the relationship between HMGS and Information Technology has not been blessed with all the success that might be hoped for. Nevertheless, the current state of affairs as to membership voting and election process seems inefficient and opaque. A remedy is called for and, as several have pointed out, ample funds exist to address the problem. B |
TRUgamer | 27 Jun 2015 3:30 p.m. PST |
Understand the BOD has some new blood… Is this true? Have the official results been posted? |
TheKing30 | 27 Jun 2015 7:19 p.m. PST |
Understand the BOD has some new blood… Is this true? Have the official results been posted? Now that would be exciting! |
OSchmidt | 29 Jun 2015 8:32 a.m. PST |
I am told that the results will be posted today. Unfortunately all the ammendments passed including the background checks for all. |
Duncan Adams | 29 Jun 2015 9:35 a.m. PST |
The background check amendment only applies to BoD candidates (conveniently, not current members) and those considered for convention director positions. Though that is bad enough. Duncan |
OSchmidt | 29 Jun 2015 9:39 a.m. PST |
Dear Duncan That is what it applies to NOW, however the amendment does not specify BOD members only and could be applied to anyone. |
Duncan Adams | 29 Jun 2015 10:48 a.m. PST |
In point of fact, the amendment only specifies background checks for BoD and convention director candidates. The unpublished (and uncontrolled) policy on the implementation of background checks allows them to do whatever they want to those candidates, but the amendment does not allow them to require background checks for GMs, staff, etc. Now, given the way the BoD follows (or fails to follow) the bylaws, they'll probably do any thing the want when the time comes. I always wonder why they even bother with a referendum. They usually find a way to do what they want regardless of the membership. Duncan |
TheKing30 | 29 Jun 2015 11:20 a.m. PST |
Can anyone tell me where the results will be posted? |
OSchmidt | 29 Jun 2015 11:56 a.m. PST |
Dear Duncan Ah yes--- there is that. Otto |
Winston Smith | 29 Jun 2015 12:43 p.m. PST |
Not to worry. The results of the 2015 painting competition have already been posted on TMP. |
HMS Exeter | 29 Jun 2015 3:51 p.m. PST |
TK30, I have to think the results will post to their website. hmgs.site-ym.com Still nothing posted yet. |
Blutarski | 29 Jun 2015 4:19 p.m. PST |
Reminds me of "Game of Thrones". B |
47Ronin | 30 Jun 2015 9:44 a.m. PST |
You are not the first to compare HMGS to "GoT," Blutarski. Less blood and a lower body count (so far), but an equally high level of drama and intrigue for those who follow both "shows." Those in the know, and those who know me, have compared me to "Littlefinger." Not sure if that is a compliment or not, but some would say it turned out to be accurate. Now all we need is a blonde Khaleesi to fight for and rally around. If you saw Emilia Clarke on "Kimmel" last night, you know what I'm talking about. The other comparison is to the War of the Roses, which may be more appropriate given the "H" in HMGS. ("GoT" vs. "WoR"--another fantasy vs. historical HMGS battle.) Once the election results are announced, I may have to change my screen name to "Kingmaker." We'll see. |
OSchmidt | 30 Jun 2015 1:07 p.m. PST |
Maybe the problem is we don't have any ceremony with these thing, you know like white smoke out the chimney in the Vatican when they chose a pope. How bout tossing a turkey off the 3rd floor roof when they elect a new bod. At least we could eat it. |
Major William Martin RM | 30 Jun 2015 3:09 p.m. PST |
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." Arthur Carlson Cincinnati, Ohio October 30, 1978 |
capncarp | 30 Jun 2015 3:22 p.m. PST |
Otto, if we vary the OFM's feed accordingly, and back him up to a window, we might get the selected fume rmmissions on cue. BUT-- Who geytts to pull John's finger? |
47Ronin | 30 Jun 2015 3:31 p.m. PST |
I remember that line and that episode, Major. I won't give away where the quote is from (maybe we should have a contest), but thanks for bringing back a fond memory. |
BTCTerrainman | 30 Jun 2015 5:22 p.m. PST |
I sure remember that line. One of the best moments from that 70s show! |