"Burgundian Infantry - help needed" Topic

Hi all,

I'm starting to paint some Burgundian infantry (Perry plastics).

I've searched the web for painted examples, plates, etc, and I can't figure out two things about this simple scheme:

Is the blue/white reversed on the back or remains the same as in the front? What I mean is: do you always see the blue on the right side and the white on the left no matter if the soldier if facing you or with is back turned?

Also I can't seem to find consensus on the red cross also on the back of the "uniform".

Maybe all variations are correct? Any and all help welcome!

This is my "sketch", so far, for these guys…

Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Alex

As far as I can see there were no regulations on the subject. Looking at modern French trascriptions of the ordonnances – link – the coustillier and mounted archer were issued with a paletot coat "mi-partie" in blue and white, and "they could put on the paletot the device which their captain bore on his standards" – so rather than (or "as wellas"?) the Burgundian cross (which is only explicitly prescribed for the man-at-arms) there may have been company emblems.

As for the infantry, there is no regulation calling for them even to have the livery coat, as far as I can see. (Though I recall an old Slingshot article on communal uniforms in Flanders which did mention Flemish city troops being issued with blue-and-white jackets in Charles' period.)

See also link which notes that Swiss battle-pictures show Burgundian infantry with the cross but not the livery jacket. This one –

– certainly shows some infantry with the Burgundian cross on their backs.

You could go and look at the panorama of morat,
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It give a mots of ideas about what it should lok like.
I think you can have somewhere stills and zooms of it. i used it a long time ago.

I painted mine the same both front and back.

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Thank you all for the kind replies. Lot's of useful info on the links provided. Also, great work on those Burgundians wrgmr1. Based for what rules?

I guess, in the end and within certain limits, there are no right or wrong with this chaps…if I present my Burgundy army painted like on the picture I posted they will be identified as being a Burgundy army by a Medieval player with some basic knowledge of the period and that's fine by me. ;)

Cheers
Alex

From troops I've seen painted, generally it appears most go for the "quartered" livery, e.g. one side blue and one side white when viewed from the front, and rear (same side colored, when viewed from the front, and rear – e.g. left front/right rear in same color).

Of course, I've also seen where some people do the opposite for the occasional fig, assuming some don't understand their right from their left, instructionally, just like in real life.

Just found this:

"All particolored garments depicted in medieval illustrations and artwork seem to be set up so that all parts of the right side of the body are one color, and all parts on the left are the other" – from link

Thank you Mako11.

Great find in there GurKhan: will have to repaint accordingly.

Cheers
Alex

Alex, they are based for Armati 2 rules. 60 cm x 60 cm bases.

I painted 2/3 or of the army and bought the other 1/3 painted. I tried to copy the same painting style, which was not easy as he was a very good painter.

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Fantastic job! Can't tell the third you bought from the two thirds you painted.

Cheers
Alex

I wish I had bought the Romans he also painted and had up for sale!