| minigamer | 10 Jun 2015 8:40 a.m. PST |
I Googled but couldn't find any 10mm camps of any kind. Am I missing something? |
| kodiakblair | 10 Jun 2015 9:02 a.m. PST |
Try The Baggage Train. Forts,watch towers,tents and palisades are all available from Stephen in 10mm. link |
| Yesthatphil | 10 Jun 2015 10:32 a.m. PST |
Baggage Train stuff is excellent (and comprehensive)  ! Phil
10% Society of Ancients discount too, I think …
LINK |
| steamingdave47 | 10 Jun 2015 12:08 p.m. PST |
Looks an interesting range, but why is some of it described as 10mm (1/200)? I have a lot of 10 mm figures and vehicles and it's generally around 1/150 scale. Surely 1/200 is about "8mm" ( like the Skytrex stuff) ? link |
| galvinm | 10 Jun 2015 1:40 p.m. PST |
The folks at Old Glory have a very nice one. I ordered 2. Too many Romans. |
| FABET01 | 10 Jun 2015 2:19 p.m. PST |
steamingdave47: Strictly by the numbers 10mm would be 1/180th (1800mm ((Model baseline height of a man))/10mm = 180. Right in between your 150th and their 200. I couldn't find anything on the site (doesn't mean it's not there). Can anyone tell me if these are digital sculpts? |
Leon Pendraken  | 10 Jun 2015 3:56 p.m. PST |
Don't forget that wargaming scales are measured to the eye, so a '10mm' figure is 10mm to eye level, and usually around 11.5mm overall. Taking that 1800mm height / 11.5mm = 1/156th or thereabouts. We usually work on an average height being around 5' 9", which works out at the 1/150th scale we use for our models. |
| Yesthatphil | 10 Jun 2015 5:44 p.m. PST |
Maybe some of the stuff is deliberately undersized (as wargame stuff often is) but Stephen is being honest about the true scale? Generally the models are not small … I have some like the watchtower which I use with my 15mm figures.
( Baggage Train 10mm watchtower with 15mm warriors) Phil
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| FABET01 | 10 Jun 2015 5:58 p.m. PST |
Leon, The baseline for scale was established back in the early 50's when the plastic model production became popular. They wanted to have a human figure that was 1 inch tall. Since these companies were American and British companies they decided the a man should be 6 feet tall Measured to the top of the head). That was a easy number to work with and since 6 foot was 72 inches, 1/72 scale was born. Now the 6 foot idea may offend some people today, but back then, it was believed and even taught (in schools – I was there) that an average man was 6 foot tall (it was a very Americentric idea). When metal miniatures began to expand the idea was to match that scale, so figures were made 25mm (1 inch being approximate 25mm). Keep in mind too, that a model usually represents any man, not everyman. |
| williamb | 10 Jun 2015 8:06 p.m. PST |
Not a marching fort, but Usborne makes this Roman Fort which is about 10mm scale
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| steamingdave47 | 11 Jun 2015 4:16 a.m. PST |
@FABET01
I'm with Leon on this one! We Europeans are generally on the short side (at least my generation of baby boomers is) and i reckon most of ur ancestors were. We never got enough to eat in the" good old days"-not like the Yanks with their T-bone steaks for breakfast. |
| minigamer | 11 Jun 2015 9:06 a.m. PST |
The Old Glory camp is nice but man that thing is expensive! Does anyone have measurements for the length and width of the sections for that camp? |
| Dagwood | 11 Jun 2015 2:27 p.m. PST |
@Steaming Dave, If we are mostly shorter than 6 foot, then a 1/72nd figure should be shorter than 25mm. It is not a reason to make them bigger ! |
| steamingdave47 | 12 Jun 2015 12:23 p.m. PST |
@Dagwood: it was the scale thing I was expressing agreement on. Leon works on an "average" being around 5 feet 9 inches, that's about 172cm (I think). Divide 1720 mm by Leon's 11.5mm (height to top of figure's head) makes it 1:149.6; near as damn it to 1:150. As "20 mm" figures are supposed to be 1/76 then "10mm" should be around 1:150 (actually 1:152) and not the 1:200 which some of the Baggage Train stuff is equated to.
Trouble is, each manufacturer seems to interpret "10mm" etc slightly differently. I have Magister Militum and Pendraken Crimean War- probably 1 mm height difference and more bulk on the MMs. My WW2 infantry are a mix of Minifigs ( billed as 12mm, which is probably overall figure height) and 10mm Pendraken- pretty much same in height but the Pendraken are bulkier. No wonder newcomers get confused- friend of mine decide to buy job lots of "10mm" WW2 stuff off EBay. He has finished up with everything from Skytrex (really about "8mm" 1:200) to Axis and Allies which look close to 15mm or 1:100! |
| bilsonius | 12 Jun 2015 7:54 p.m. PST |
I believe that 1/72 was actually popularised in the 1930s as the standard scale for aircraft plans and models, and became the regular scale for aircraft recognition material in WW2. For those who don't already know it, there is a useful wikipedia article on modelling scale:
link Also an interesting feature in Plastic Soldier Review:
link mike |
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