Slappy | 10 Jun 2015 3:08 a.m. PST |
Which is the most overplayed and which is the one that should be played? |
clibinarium | 10 Jun 2015 3:34 a.m. PST |
Poltava is probably the Waterloo/Gettysburg of the GNW. The lesser known but interesting battle; I am not sure which that would be, my knowledge outside the big ones is sketchy. |
Chokidar | 10 Jun 2015 4:50 a.m. PST |
It doesn't really matter – the Swedes always win – Poltava took odds of 4 to 1, exhaustion, defective black powder, the cavalry having their only off day in 20 years AND the Swedish high command degenerating into a bunch of squabbling and sulking school girls following a plan that would have embarrassed even a moron in a hurry.. and even then it was close ! :-) |
Frederick | 10 Jun 2015 6:28 a.m. PST |
Probably the next most played after Poltava (a log unit less) would be Narva, which usually is a walk over for the Swedes |
Altefritz | 10 Jun 2015 8:29 a.m. PST |
The ones who deserves to be played are Holowczin and Gadebusch (against the Danes, without Carl XII). |
Daniel S | 10 Jun 2015 8:36 a.m. PST |
Poltava and the "Russian front" seems at times to overshadow the fact that the GNW was about more than Swedes vs Russians. There are a number of interesting and very playable battles to be found if you look at the battles fought against Danes and Saxons. Kliszow 1702 (Swedes vs Saxons & Poles), Helsingborg 1710 (Swedes vs Danes) and Gadebusch 1712 (Swedes vs Danes & Saxons) are all arguably better as wargames scenarios than Poltava and Narva. |
dbf1676 | 10 Jun 2015 9:34 a.m. PST |
Agree with Daniel. Fraustadt in 1706 would be another good one. There are a number of smaller battles between the Swedes and Saxons and/or Russians involving 2000-5000 men each that might be good to game. Posen 1704, Punitz 1704, Jackobstadt 1704, and Gemauerhof 1705 come to mind. |
Supercilius Maximus | 10 Jun 2015 10:49 a.m. PST |
The other advantage of fighting the Swedes' battles against the Saxons is that, if you squint and keep drawing everyone's attention to the Swedes, you can get away with using your WSS British. |
Tricorne1971 | 10 Jun 2015 5:38 p.m. PST |
dbf (above) and I will be hosting a GNW battle at Historicon testing whether a river and entrenchments can actually stop a Swede! |
forwardmarchstudios | 10 Jun 2015 10:41 p.m. PST |
SM: I was gonna say, those armies are a simple way to also collect the WSS! It would be fun to do some smaller 18th century battles at 1:1 in 3mm. Are there any smaller battles with winged hussar?? |
dbf1676 | 12 Jun 2015 10:34 a.m. PST |
"Are there any smaller battles with winged hussar??" Warsaw (1705) 2000 Swedish cavalry vs. 3500 Saxon and 6500 Polish cavalry. I guess that really isn't that small! |