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GiloUK06 Jun 2015 11:56 a.m. PST

Hello – I've posted about painting the Perry capture of the 45th's eagle set on my blog. Any comments welcome:

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Thanks for looking.

Giles

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2015 12:46 p.m. PST

You raise an interesting point about the flag not fitting although on the Perry website it does. Look again at the flag they used. Your's is right for 1815, the one on the website is the right Regt but the earlier model………and you painted the pole blue (correct)

Much controversy here, ranging from whether Ewart would have had a carbine to what the heck a lancer was doing in what has always been thought to be the early stage of the cavalry attack on d'Erlon's lads. Who cares? Brilliant castings and really well painted. Blood on the sword? Naw, too easily overdone

Lord Hill06 Jun 2015 1:52 p.m. PST

Brilliant figs, lovely painting

Edwulf06 Jun 2015 8:27 p.m. PST

Quality work.

I see lead people07 Jun 2015 2:48 a.m. PST

Hi Giles,
Fantastic work mate, absolutely beautiful!
I really love your work as it's right up there with some of the best work displayed on the net. I think given your busy real life obligations, you're quality, variety & productivity is remarkable.

The pole for the Eagle is well short for a GMB flag. The one on the PM webpage has been skilfully cut by the painter to fit the flag pole provided. I removed the pole from mine and very carefully drilled out the hand to replace the pole with a longer steel one.

@Deadhead. Be interested to know what leads you to believe the French colours with Ewart vignette shown on the PM webpage is incorrect?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2015 3:13 a.m. PST

Let me see if I can show the two together;

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Yes, it worked.

I did mention this before, but blowed if I can find it, despite a long search. Notice the difference in the wreathed edging thickness. Agreed the flag being smaller and lacking fringe could represent clever trimming, but not the difference in the gold lace. I have it straight from the horse's mouth (GMB!) via e mail that this is an earlier release from them and I THINK it was the pre 1815 design. Right regiment wrong date……..

A very minor issue though. Wish I could paint to these standards

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2015 9:42 a.m. PST

Grahame at GMB ….. back me up! Au secours, au secours…….! Both flags are great, but only one is right.

and, it is personal, but I know which grey I prefer. Let's just say I prefer John Morris' bay……..but……..Also Perry's Ewart waistband looks white with two blue stripes, not yellow with etc…….

But I can only dream at this modelling and painting skill. I guess we will not see Blucher under his horse at Ligny then…bit late now and I can see the limited wargame use. Who wants Prussians anyway??????? Wind up…….

From previous experience, the day before I post such a conversion, they will announce something far better on the same subject! Bless them for it and may they live long and prosper…….

Personal logo optional field Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2015 11:03 a.m. PST

Brilliant work. For whatever it's worth,

I hope you keep it as it is even if you do discover some later error in detail. As an artistic work it is outstanding, which has no relation to its historical accuracy (just as Renaissance depictions of Biblical scenes have artistic merit unrelated to the inaccuracies in period costumes).

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2015 11:50 a.m. PST

Sorry, have I confused?

Let me stress, GiloUK has got it right in several details. The innacuracies are "elsewhere" I hope I have made totally clear above….surely! I try to be sutble in my comments and I know what…I mean…but…….maybe I am being too vague

I think the grey is better done here, but I do like Morris' bay horse and the darker blue of the French officer's coat. The Perry flag is an earlier GMB release, I do know, and I think it is pre 1815 style.

We have to allow an occasional minor error in "They who must be obeyed and worshiped". where would we be without………….?

Double G07 Jun 2015 12:58 p.m. PST

Thanks for sharing, you do spectacular work.

Stunning really, that is a very nice set, I'd expect nothing less from that company.

And as usual in a thread where someone shares pictures of their work, the whinging comes about the errors.

The more things change, the more they stay the same on this forum.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2015 1:53 p.m. PST

Again, I am puzzled but getting annoyed. Does
no one read these messages properly? That is two now who seem to think I am criticising GiloUK's work. The second really baffles me, when I thought I had clarified my meaning……………Surely it is perfectly clear that I am saying he has got it absolutely right……there are no errors……this is getting daft.

Even then, supposing he had got it wrong somewhere, is it not worth constructive criticism? If I have painted my turnbacks wrongly, I will not take it personally if this is pointed out. Surely the purpose of this forum is to share knowledge or guesstimates. It is up to me whether I then feel the error is worth correcting. We are adults and we are after all asking for feedback…….not just everyone saying "cool".

GiloUK07 Jun 2015 2:41 p.m. PST

All – thanks very much for the kind comments. This is a great set and fun to paint. Liam/deadhead raises some very interesting points about the narrative – I hadn't really thought about why a French lancer would be in the middle of the 45th. On the flag, I know that GMB have re-done some flags, so maybe there is an earlier, smaller flag; I just ordered the current version.

Giles

I see lead people07 Jun 2015 5:05 p.m. PST

Giles,
Thanks for making a point I intend to raise regarding the GMB flag used on the painted Ewart vignette on the PM webpage.

@Deadhead, I can assure you the French flag pictured on the PM webpage is correct for 1815.

The flag is GMB, but is an earlier product release. Remembering Grahame has been operating since around 2000 and has updated his fantastic flags periodically since first release.

I suspect you may have taken Grahame's advice on it being an earlier model too literally as yes, it's an earlier GMB release, but not a pre 1815 model flag.

So congratulations to John Morris, Giles and of course PM who have all got it right.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2015 2:05 a.m. PST

Exactly. Grahame told me that the earlier version was smaller and did not have a fringe….and the more I look at it, it is not ornate enough to be the pre Hundred Days version. So it is an earlier flag (from GMB) but not an earlier flag (from Boney)………and you have to say, despite its age, it did not fade (I guess never exposed to UV either though) Mine are and don't (if you get my meaning)

The lancer issue, I can claim no novelty. Often been questioned. "It was in the first charge that………." but at what stage? If early in the Union Brigade attack, no lancers. If he just ran into the colour party on his flight back, he was one lucky blighter! Could he have meant a pike armed foot escort to the colour/eagle?

Widowson08 Jun 2015 1:24 p.m. PST

The flag looks right size to me, and I've seen the real flag and eagle (along with Ewart's sword) on display at Edinbourgh Castle. The flag staff looks a tad short.

I started a 54mm version of this as a dio back in the day – even had a 14c gold eagle made for it. What stopped me was that, like you, I had put a carbine on Ewart – NCOs didn't carry them. My other error was gauntlet gloves on Ewart. So I need to some day go back and re-do the thing.

It could be that, in the heat of battle, Ewart mis-remembered his encounter with the lancer, and that actually took place a few minutes later. Who cares? Having that second horseman in the dio works great!

Widowson08 Jun 2015 1:25 p.m. PST

And, oh yeah – Ewart describes the infantryman coming at him as a grenadier, so he must have been wearing grenadier insignia – red trim on the shako, epaulettes, etc.

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