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Mrkev50627 May 2015 7:57 a.m. PST

Hi all,

I'm almost done with my second Austrian division, my last unit to paint and base are my Grenzers. My little army is set up to play Black Powder in 15mm, but there's no reason why they couldn't play other things in the future.

With the 'toolbox' nature of the Black Powder rules, and no BP book that gives examples of Austrian infantry, what kind of design did you make for your Grenzers? They're somewhere in between line and light infantry, so I'm not sure what I'd do. Here's what I have:

Hand to hand – 6
Shooting – 3
Morale – 4+
Stamina – 3
Special rules: Can form skirmish order, Must form square (line formation only), Unreliable when in line.

Thoughts? Anything you'd add/change? Cheers

Jamesonsafari27 May 2015 8:31 a.m. PST

Wold the Maurader special rule still be appropriate for Napoleonic Grenzers?
My knowledge of the Austrian army is more 18th cent.

Mrkev50627 May 2015 8:41 a.m. PST

I think it would be appropriate but it's quite a boost to the unit's potential and I don't want them to end up being super-soldiers. It'd need something to counter it out and represent their indiscipline.

Empires at War Sponsoring Member of TMP27 May 2015 11:44 a.m. PST

"Marauders" is intended to be used for Light cavalry.

marshalGreg27 May 2015 12:35 p.m. PST

Perhaps look at a different set of rules.
I gave up on these some time ago.
Good intention but bad execution trying to cover all era's

2 cents
MG

Navy Fower Wun Seven27 May 2015 1:17 p.m. PST

Bang on with your rules choice mate! Particularly like the unreliable when in line formation'. So yes your stats seem to cover Grenz pretty well – but be sure and give then the skirmish attribute for shooting, OR 'sharpshooters' because I reckon they took marksmanship more seriously than your average line Kaiserlik!

raylev327 May 2015 8:48 p.m. PST

Looking at 1809 and the way the Grenzers were used, we use them as a regular line unit with standard factors, except they can skirmish. Of course, we do adjust for unit size depending on scenario.

janner28 May 2015 5:07 a.m. PST

The stats look fine to me as well, but you might give them Column of Companies and Rifle Mixed Formation from AT2, as well as Sharpshooters as Sparker suggests.

Mrkev50628 May 2015 3:58 p.m. PST

Ah I don't have AT2 Janner :( just the core ruleset for now. I appreciate the input though, plenty to think about!

janner29 May 2015 3:30 a.m. PST

The former is variant on Attack Column: +1 to SR, 1 die for shooting, H--2-H reduced by two and counts as Attack Column for receiving artillery fire without the morale bonus.

Rifles Mixed Formation is the same as the rule on p.78, but the shot is treated as being from a rifle.

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