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Shaun Travers25 May 2015 3:07 p.m. PST

I am slowly playing chronologically through the Peter Sides scenario books to playtest my own fast play ancient rules. I have not been doing much of these in the last 12 months, but hope to speed up again as I have regained some mojo (I also hope to restart testing out different ancient rules on a 2'x'2' table). I have just done the Hellespont and the battle report is on the blog:

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Here is Eumenes (the 2 cavalry units) attacking on his left flank against the enemy heavy cavalry:

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normsmith25 May 2015 9:44 p.m. PST

Shaun – How does the breakpoint work? are the units valued differently?

Shaun Travers25 May 2015 10:58 p.m. PST

The units are valued differently.
0 points for infantry skirmishers, 2 points for all heavy units, 1 point for everything else. Generals and camps do not count at this stage.
Army breakpoint is the total of the breakpoint values of each unit, and divided by 2.
an army with good command and control adds 1 to this calculated army breakpoint, excellent command and control adds 2.
When the breakpoint values of the units lost equal or exceed the army breakpoint, the army breaks. A lost general or camp counts as losing 2 breakpoints (like a heavy unit) – these units are not counted when working out the army breakpoint so their loss brings the army closer to breaking than other units.

Shaun Travers26 May 2015 1:39 a.m. PST

Thanks John – If they are Essex, they are likely painted by me in the 90's. The cavalry unit facing away, and most of the Craterus units, are Xyston Miniatures and painted by a brilliant painter friend here is Brisbane.

Bjorn Seleukos26 May 2015 7:24 a.m. PST

Nice AAR, always fun to see Hellenistic battle reports.
For this battle I can recommend the book "The War of Alexander's Successors 323-281" by Bob Bennett and Mike Roberts. I think they mentioned the battle in part 2.
If I remember it correctly there was a large hill in the middle of the battlefield. It was important because it hide Craterus army from Eumenes Macedonian infantry, who would maybe desert to Craterus if they know.

Shaun Travers27 May 2015 2:18 a.m. PST

Hello Bjorn,

It is mentioned early in the first book. And you do remember correctly (I just looked it up!) – there is a hill in the centre of the battlefield. It would change the battle scenario a fair bit as more can happen on the flanks before the infantry engage.

I have some more successor battles coming over the next few months.

Temporary like Achilles27 May 2015 6:02 p.m. PST

Some Xyston figures there too now, Shaun! Always enjoyable to read your reports. Cheers!

Aaron

Shaun Travers28 May 2015 3:12 a.m. PST

Yep, while Xyston are very large, especially next to some of the old Heritage figures I have (they are "true" 15mm), the detail (and my friend's paint job) is amazing.

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