Charlie 12 | 24 May 2015 2:48 p.m. PST |
Isn't that what has been said all along? (If ever there was a tempest in a teacup, THIS IS IT….) |
Londongamer | 24 May 2015 2:55 p.m. PST |
Wow! That is pretty simple. Nobody has to surrender, no reparations need to be paid, no territory needs to be conceded. It does seem that quite a lot of this "war" is going on in the Editor's mind. |
Doctor X | 24 May 2015 3:11 p.m. PST |
Editor, Hallucionary "War" of One? Your table is ready… |
Editor in Chief Bill | 24 May 2015 3:15 p.m. PST |
Here it is, I'll be a short as I can. The Editor(s) can end the war with Frothers, by ignoring Frothers. Cancel your membership there, don't post there, don't go (or send any one.) just stop. Have the self control to do that. I know that others who are much wiser than I am have told you this before. So that it. Nonsense. When I stay away from Frothers, they imagine that I am still there, or that I am sending people there. It is also prudent for me to post there occasionally, as this can stop rumors before they spread. For example, when Michael Stockin of Angel Barracks tried to cause trouble by claiming that Osprey was receiving special treatment, I simply explained that Osprey was a TMP advertiser. I didn't attack anyone, I just provided the facts. |
Londongamer | 24 May 2015 3:31 p.m. PST |
Well Kyote, It looks like your peace mission has failed:(. Well tried, though. |
Militia Pete | 24 May 2015 3:35 p.m. PST |
Didn't we have a dust up back in the late 90's with them? The Ike Clantons of the internet…. |
Broglie | 24 May 2015 3:41 p.m. PST |
Give it a rest pleeeeeeease |
Shedman | 24 May 2015 4:06 p.m. PST |
Editor in Chief Bill said
For example, when Michael Stockin of Angel Barracks tried to cause trouble by claiming that Osprey was receiving special treatment Can you provide a link to this please |
Gwydion | 24 May 2015 4:11 p.m. PST |
That's it? Some peace initiative. Where were the black limos and the months of proximity talks and a handshake at the end and… This didn't really happen did it? They just melted away into the darkness- and as we all know… Frothers own the night! |
Editor in Chief Bill | 24 May 2015 4:22 p.m. PST |
Can you provide a link to this please link |
skippy0001 | 24 May 2015 6:18 p.m. PST |
For those that are leaving Frothers please remember to set your ADM's as you go. Thank you. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 24 May 2015 6:54 p.m. PST |
Don, thanks for your time and effort to try to mediate peace, but I think the Frothers have played you. After the Frothers outed the editors against their will, I avoided Frothers for many months. It never stopped them. The "bad apples" over there are people who cannot last on any forum. They are haters by their natures. They enjoy mocking those they feel are inferior. I am not saying that they cannot change. But it is nothing that will happen overnight. It is more likely that Frothers itself will close first, as the owner seems to have no interest in maintaining it any more. And I don't think any other wargaming forum would allow the "bad apples" to practice their form of hate. |
Allen57 | 24 May 2015 7:10 p.m. PST |
I post and read Frothers all the time. Why should I cancel my membership there or here? I see no reason to take sides in this farce. Sure there are "bad apples" over there but I have seen a number here also. Let us move along. |
John the OFM | 24 May 2015 7:48 p.m. PST |
How can there be "peace" when the non-negotiable demands of either side are tha5 The Enemy go and commit sepuku? Let's get real here. It was a fool's errand from the start. And you knew it, Don Kyoteblue. You went into it with your eyes open. What possessed you? |
Editor in Chief Bill | 24 May 2015 7:59 p.m. PST |
Don started with the idea that the war was somehow TMP's fault, and that was even before he talked with the Frothers. As far as I can tell, is there even a war on TMP's part? If so, who and how? Yes, it would be nice if Frothers' "management" would exercise responsible moderation over their forums, but that isn't going to happen. So the "bad apples" will continue to mock people and call the editors prostitutes and make idiotic speculations about my private life, and no one apparently can stop them. Don, if I ignore Frothers, did they say they would stop mocking Rod Robertson, or the OFM, or Legion 4, or Otto, or anyone else they judge as fair game? Don, if I ignore Frothers, did they say they would stop sexualizing the editors, and acting as if TMP was some kind of virtual Playboy Mansion? Did you bring this up with them? And who is/are "The Editor(s)"? We're not some kind of hivemind, you know… |
Ed Mohrmann | 24 May 2015 8:21 p.m. PST |
As much as I'd like to help end the carnage/bloodletting/ silliness, etc, I cannot cancel my Frothers membership 'Cause I don't have one….never been there, and not gonna go… |
John the OFM | 24 May 2015 8:35 p.m. PST |
There is no "they" at Frothers. It is anarchy, and that is why so many are attracted to it, and that's the way they want it.. Nobody over there will stop anyone from saying what they want. I have heard rumors that Frothers will not permit bare naked willies or pussies but that's about it. I have seen "tut tut!" warnings that "We don't do things that way, Sir!" or "Leave the families out of it!" However these tut tuts are never excised. They are still there, so their self control is oddly not persuasive. Anyway, neither TMP nor Frothers have nukes, so what's the problem? I still go there to see what bad things they have to say about me. And when their creaky and cranky site forgets that my ISP is SPAM, I occasionally get to throw q zinger their way. Then I am so stunned I try to say one more thing and I am SPAM again. It's really quite amusing, especially when they assume I am Dear Editor or somebody else. One of these days they will guess right, but I will be unable to confirm or deny it due to the woeful and rickety structure that is Frothers.. And to think they call TMP primitive. At least you can post here. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 24 May 2015 8:43 p.m. PST |
There have been some casting doubt that I avoided Frothers in the past, so I will provide the dates (which I believe can be verified on Frothers). I stopped posting there on Jul 20, 2014 3:29 am, and did not resume until my Open Letter to TMP Champion on Mar 07, 2015 3:39 am. |
cherrypicker | 24 May 2015 8:45 p.m. PST |
Just as a bystander, and before I sold my company, I was having BIG issues with my health, I had a lot of bad (deserved) press, Once Bill had seen I and where most of the issues the post was removed. The guys at Frothers just kept going, and most of these people didn't even know me, or the issues I was and still are having. So these guys just want to bully people, even if they don't know you, All I can say guys, what goes around comes around. Jules |
ochoin | 24 May 2015 9:01 p.m. PST |
kyoteblue is 100% correct. The Frothpotters are irrelevant & only gain relevance if we allow them. Personally, I feel pity for them, the obsessed bunch who keep "that" thread going, but they've made their choices & must live with what they've become. Bill, you are not the Sheriff of the Net. Ignore them & stop reading let alone posting, on the Frothpot. |
Silent Pool | 24 May 2015 9:29 p.m. PST |
And life goes on, You know you know it ain't easy, You've just gotta be strong, When you're part of the A Team |
Londongamer | 25 May 2015 2:01 a.m. PST |
Bill, How exactly did the Frothers "play" Koyote? Who encouraged him in his mad endeavour? Who set up a blog to "assist" him? Who suggested that he contact LAF about "hosting" the peace talks? So, who played him? According to your profile on Frothers, you have posted 290 times on the "Weird vibe…" thread; I can only wonder why you have felt the need to do so. Why can't you just ignore them and stop creating drama? |
Tango India Mike | 25 May 2015 2:29 a.m. PST |
Oh look. The drama llama is back in town. (Not you Londongamer) I am referring g to the whole thread. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 25 May 2015 3:50 a.m. PST |
rolls eyes. all this has done is show some people either side cannot let it go, too many on here just believe what they are spoon fed, many are thin skinned and no one can believe Frothers is more than a handful of people sometimes going too far with the mickey taking. I've seen things and views far more abhorrent on here than 'over there'. Frothers doesn't have much moderation, but few things are considered a no go on there anyway. If you don't like it don't go there (even if you can log on….) simple. Also, remember it's free speech and opinions Not everyone is going to like it, I personally love the site, the people I know there and the fact that most days, despite the crap going on in real life I can drop on there and end up finding some silly thread/comment that has me laughing and cheering me up. Most of the friends I made here have all left TMP. Make of that what you will (and I am sure some on here will question their character and mine for these comments.) TMP still has some useful resources and posters when you can sort the wheat from the chaff. And, on the plus side, I've now chatted to Don and found him a very nice amicable chap :-) |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 25 May 2015 3:53 a.m. PST |
and regards AB – right after Bill's post (about Osprey) , AB wrote 'Oh I am surprised as they don't have a sponsor member icon to denote that, and the news is not submitted by a registered user as seems to be needed. My apologies.' I can see his confusion, and once Bill had pointed out the facts, he apologised. I wouldn't call that trouble making. |
Earl of the North | 25 May 2015 4:01 a.m. PST |
Next we will be spending months experimenting to see if water is wet. Seriously though ignoring Frothers wont stop them posting this stuff (about the Editors, etc), the best you can hope for is that they will confine themselves to Frothers to do it. Allowing those who want nothing to do with Frothers to continue ignoring their existence. As long as somebody is paying them attention, then the small minority will continue to cause trouble between TMP and Frothers, most of us will go on knowing nothing about it, expect for an occasional drive by post or when Bill posts about it. |
Winston Smith | 25 May 2015 5:38 a.m. PST |
On "that thread", the TMP hatred comes mainly from about 5 people. These are the exiled who for some reason or other can't let go. They remind me of the author and "hero" of Confederacy of Dunces. They are superior beings whose whole purpose in life is to sneer and are outraged the world (TMP) does not recognize their superiority. I can't stand that book btw. Then there are reasonable people who live in both worlds. There are those who left TMP voluntarily. And there are those who when they can manage to post (and the fact they cannot is NOT due to any fault of their own) just like to stir the pot to see if they can annoy the 5. |
ochoin | 25 May 2015 5:49 a.m. PST |
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Winston Smith | 25 May 2015 6:37 a.m. PST |
Ignoring Frothers and not playing their game will change nothing. The 5 +/- n will continue to split their sides pointing out how stupid everybody on TMP are. So, ignore them or play along or go "over there" and denounce them. It's all the same result. If it bothers you (or amuses you) go and check it out. If it bored you or you have no interest, stay away. It's really that simple. So. Where do I stand on whose fault it is? I have an odd perspective on this. I was once tipped off that They were saying Bad Things About me on a site I was vaguely aware of. Yes, my story changes often. Sue me. So every few months I would google me over there. To amuse myself and stoke my dislike. As soon as the hit the fan here I knew just where to go and have read every damn page of it. I see the "controversy" being 60/40 Frothers, with a lot of help from Dear Editor in Chief. Who is by the way a registered card carrying Frother. It is human nature to not let things go, so it will continue. At least until the major participants get bored. I don't see that happening soon. A major war with emp that wipes out Da Interwebs will help, since it is far too easy to keep it going. In the old days of the Federalist Papers debates (something far less important than this major issue!) it cost real money to send letters to the editor. Paper, ink and goose quills were expensive too! Everybody is on line today and think they have to be. So meaningless amusing tempests like this are inevitable. |
Winston Smith | 25 May 2015 6:42 a.m. PST |
To sum it up. Your mother was wrong. Ignoring "them" will not make them go away. "If there is no solution, there is no problem. " |
Mitochondria | 25 May 2015 7:05 a.m. PST |
Frothers is the shadow cast by TMP. You cannot have one without the other. |
Legion 4 | 25 May 2015 8:00 a.m. PST |
I'm with Winston on this topic. And like he, I found out the F/Boys were dragging me and others here thru the mud. Making fun of my posts, doubting my military experience, making rude childish homo-erotic comments, etc., etc., and just being plain nasty, divisive, mean spirited, etc., for no other reasons than my linage and opinions. How is that mature adult behavior ? When I posted in my defense, I was maligned by some here and of course by the F/boyz. I stood up to their bullying, throwing, etc. And rapidly lines were drawn on TMP and the line already existed on the F/site. Eventually resulting in more negativity. And at least one former member here being bounces. Some claiming many things about me and what I said that were untrue. So bottem line, I never visited F/site. I never cared. Until it was brought to my attention the extreme level of childish rethoric that was coming my way. They even came over here to direct more vitriol, etc. not only in my direction but Bill and others. I believe some attempts from some here to bring about " a peace" between the two site was … well, albiet well meaning was a fool's errand. Of course the solution was not to go to the F/site. Yes, we knew that. And I never visited, until I was informed of the extreme vitriol directed at me and others here. Which again IMO was completely unwarranted and very puerile among other things … |
Oh Bugger | 25 May 2015 8:32 a.m. PST |
"They remind me of the author and "hero" of Confederacy of Dunces." That's really interesting John because you have always for me brought to mind Ignatius minus the obsessive medieval scholarship of course. Otherwise it seems a perfect fit in my minds eye. I think its a great book but you do wrong to conflate John Kennedy Toole (RIP) with his masterful creation Ignatius J O'Reilly. It was far from an autobiography. Confederacy of Dunces is a classic comic novel that I would commend to anyone. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 25 May 2015 9:17 a.m. PST |
I think you owe him an apology for calling him filth. Check the record. I never said he was filth. I said he was choosing to associate himself with the kind of people who targeted the editors – those are the filth. Now, even though you are not blameless in all this – the way the assistant editors were brought on board was dishonest and really haphazard to those of us who have supported TMP as basic and supporting memebers in my opinion: Nonsense. What was I supposed to do, announce their gender orientation publicly? It was their private information. |
Winston Smith | 25 May 2015 9:59 a.m. PST |
Which is why this will continue into the foreseeable future. |
Weasel | 25 May 2015 10:20 a.m. PST |
"Someone on the internet is wrong! To the barricades!" |
John the OFM | 25 May 2015 11:27 a.m. PST |
I just tried to post this on frothers.
As I said (or someone pretending to me… I wouldn't put anything past those bastards on Frothers!)… Anyhoo, this War will continue. Not until the sun rises in the est, or the mountains are ground down and run into the sea. It will last until everyone involved gets senile and forgets just how important it is. It will last until we forget where our computer is or our cell phones.There will be no glory, no medals, no Veterans' pensions. Just oblivion. But, today both Winston and I are notorious SPAMMers. Tomorrowe… Maybe not. I never know. Oh, they are so much more advanced than us, both morally and technologically. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 25 May 2015 12:22 p.m. PST |
The honourable and proper response would be "Mike, I'm sorry you took it that way, I didn't mean to come across that way, and I apologize for that but I try really did not mean it that way. " But I meant what I said. If Michael chooses to misunderstand it, that is his problem. But you also should have told them to behave professionally. Isn't one of the reasons they are in your employ to get them some professional experience? I think that is a laudable goal. Now you sound like Thaddeus. Let me repeat myself. No, they are not here to gain "professional experience" so they can move on to another job. They are here to work on TMP. However, a professional business does not announce that it's employees are single, not available because she had a boyfriend, allow employees to discuss sexual activity publicly with its clients, or have unprofessional photos. I'm sorry, but I think you're out of touch with the modern world and social media, and far too judgmental. The younger generation does things differently. Take a chill pill. …the fact that you just can't leave frothers alone… How am I bothering Frothers??? |
John the OFM | 25 May 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
The best part of the Grand Frothers Conspiracy™ is the way the 5 +/- n have to use the Wayback Machine to give screen shots. Lest the Dastardly Editor change something. Or even worse, lest TMP get any money for page hits. I bet they all had secret decoder rings when they were lads. I don't care who hates Dear Editor in Chief, or why. I had my own issues in the past, and they have been resolved to my satisfaction. (Cue the obligatory "came crawling back, betrayed Allen and the Weavers" bs.) No crawling was involved. And that's all I will say, because frankly it's nobody's ing business but mine and The Editor's. Neither Bill nor I owe anybody an explanation, in particular the sneering 5 +/- n on Frothers. They will dislike me regardless. Do I owe Bill any Loyalty? Does he owe me any? No. That's water under the bridge. Do I have to like the way he runs TMP? No. Does he have to like my posts? No. Why? Oh, there I go again, making it all about me… Another gripe the LAds have. As long as I get to bloviate on the American Revolution, asking and answering… As long as I get to ask about Wake Island, I am happy. Do I care about manufactured Thirld World drama issues? No, I do not. So, you LAds at Frothers, when you become Gods of the Universe, you can send me to your Hell. But until then, pobochuk mano shikna. I guess that comes under "continuing the War", hainna? That should be good for 2 or 3 pages of them laughing at me over there… |
Londongamer | 25 May 2015 1:43 p.m. PST |
My gosh, I have hardly ever seen anyone so convinced of their own rightness and so painfully unaware of their own wrongness. |
Mr G Toffeeapple | 25 May 2015 1:46 p.m. PST |
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Londongamer | 25 May 2015 1:47 p.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill | 25 May 2015 2:41 p.m. PST |
Look, Tim, your examples are gross charicatures of actual events. Nor am I going to put my management experience against yours. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I have no problem admitting to mistakes, but I won't admit to errors that weren't. |
Rod I Robertson | 25 May 2015 4:51 p.m. PST |
TMP -The Miniatures Page. Not TMP -Tedious Melodramatic Postings. Lead and Peace, gents. Cheers and good gaming. Rod Robertson |
Mitochondria | 25 May 2015 5:04 p.m. PST |
Londongamer has been here all of 54 days. Stand back as he waxes poetic about the good old days. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 25 May 2015 5:06 p.m. PST |
I am not going to tolerate people who take the mockery directly off Frothers and post it over here. jtipp68's account has been Locked for harassing Legion 4. |
Mako11 | 25 May 2015 6:11 p.m. PST |
And the lunacy continues………… Kyote, perhaps if you were to offer them "a shrubbery"…….. |
napthyme | 25 May 2015 8:55 p.m. PST |
Well it would seem to me if there was any desire to end the "war" with Frothers talking to them would not be required. A gesture of goodwill would do more good then talk in this instance. For Example… If there was just a misunderstanding Between the editor and Angel Barracks then his reinstatement here would go a long way to restoring peace in the community. Same goes for KatieL whether she wants to come back or not is up to her. So much time is wasted here arguing over stuff that occurs on the interweb which is so huge that if you do not know to search for it you will newer find out if it really exists. |
Londongamer | 25 May 2015 11:11 p.m. PST |
Bill, You said: "Check the record. I never said he was filth. I said he was choosing to associate himself with the kind of people who targeted the editors – those are the filth." However, back in July 2014 it seems that you said the followng about Angel Barracks: "You can't be hanging out at Frothers without some of the filth clinging to you. You are the company you keep. Those people who called Claire those things are filth." I am sorry Bill, but that is pretty clearly calling him filth, especially the second part. For the record, and having had the severe displeasure of reading through parts of the relevant thread on Frothers, I tend to agree that the people on there who did make the rather disgusting comments about the assistant editors should really take a long hard look at themselves. However, Angel Barracks was not one of them. Given that you were posting on Frothers again last night, it seems that you are really determined to avoid the good advive that so many people are giving you to stay away from the place. |
Abwehrschlacht | 26 May 2015 2:16 a.m. PST |
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