"For Khurasan Miniatures" Topic

I would like to start off by saying I really think that all of Khurasan's products are awesome, especially their Sci-fi 15mm miniatures. But I do need to point out a problem with Khurasan. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN PLEASE RELEASE THE MINIATURES YOU HAVE TEASED US WITH FOR OVER A YEAR HERE ON TMP! Hopefully others here on TMP will agree with me.

Probably the less said about all of that the better.

Awkward….

Unfortunately he will not be able to respond here, so it's doubtful he will even see this. You might want to post this to a different forum, like Lead Adventurers.

Yep, one of our finer moments.

Ok why?

Okay, I obviously missed something…

Khurasan has been banned from TMP due to sock puppet use. Here are the details:

TMP link

For the love God that's just plain stupid!

You must have been in your bunker during the nuclear melt down.

Mike,
Jon is on Facebook, link
He seems to have a good number of miniatures in various stages of development but as always his service is excellent
and the figures and vehicles are some of the best I've ever seen.Jon also has a full time gig in the banking/financial industry and he's a one man business so there is a time gap between advertisement and when the stuff is ready to ship.
The new Zatin Reconquest figures were just released.

Semper Fi Dennis

"For the love God that's just plain stupid!"

It is sure something. I'm not sure why someone would stoop to that. I'm not sure if it is stupidity or something worse.

The TMP lynching wasn't exactly the best display of smarts either.

For F's sake I am away for 5 -ing mins and another trader I really like gets booted. Its getting harder and harder to find out about the manufactures I like round here. If one more gets banned I like then what's the point of me coming here to find out miniature news. There will not be any more. faves. :-(

@Stealth1000,
Give Facebook a try.A good number of traders are there and there's a good flow of information and great photos of the products offered.It's worth it.
Dennis

Khurasan has undoubtedly got a lot of brilliant products. However from consumer perspective he would not be able to trade in the way he does if he were in the UK.
In the UK he would have to clearly give a physical address and contact details. He would not be allowed to charge a re stocking fee for returned goods. He would not be able to claim delivery was not his responsibility either.

Such actions n the UK are not legal as they are intended to keep the customer safe.
Not sure what the US law is on these matters.

Nothing personal, sure they are great and wonderful people, but I believe customers need to be looked after. I never buy mail order from a company that does not observe these three BASIC bits of good manners,

This is just an opinion based upon problems relayed to me about companies that have the same policies of no contact, no responsibility etc.

martin

The TMP lynching wasn't exactly the best display of smarts either.

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It was awesome! The quality of Jon's products already provided him with plenty of trade. There was no need for his behaviour. He got what he deserved.

@Martin

I suspect he would not be allowed to use the name "Jon" as a front for the business instead of his real name of Larry Dunn without declaring his real name somewhere on the website either…

Mike

Yes I agree Mike it brings down the confidence level of customers

martin

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN PLEASE RELEASE THE MINIATURES YOU HAVE TEASED US WITH FOR OVER A YEAR HERE ON TMP!

WE … Still are awaiting Khurasan's 6mm Jasmine Throne release … link Still No joy … < goes off to cry in corner … fade to black >

I very publicly went at him for not releasing these.

link

After all of his misdeeds were exposed here, I finally knew why I thought he was such a wad!

Some companies do not like their employees running a moonlighting business, especially when one is high in the executive chain. Khurasan started as an endeavor to make some figures that he wanted for himself, but it grew into a company. I can understand the need to 'hide' it from his superiors, if this were the case.

The problem many had is Larry's bipolar (from all appearances) odd sock puppet posting and unneeded sock puppet attacks on the competition. I feel badly for him, myself having just had a close friend diagnosed in his late 40s with the disorder with no signs of it ever happening earlier.

Of course, I'm making some assumptions here. Imo the situation was handled as badly as one could handle it. :-(

I would love to buy his products, but I worry it will take weeks to arrive.

So which cereal packet did your psychiatry qualifications come in, or are you just clumsily trying to sledge?

Thanks for throwing light on Jon's situation. If you are correct It is indeed a real shame about him being bi-polar. He may also be hiding his company from his superiors with the associated stress that will be causing him. None the less the customer should be respected and his illness/superiors pressure cannot be used as a reason in this case for ignoring the three basics I mention. i wish Jon well with his illness and hope he can get out from under his boss' pressure.

martin

I don't care if the Khurasan owner has a psych-eval the size of the NJ phone book ! I just want some of his wares !

"So which cereal packet did your psychiatry qualifications come in…"

Froot Loops.

I assumed that Larry was using the Jon persona because he had annoyed so many people and burned so many bridges while posting on here as camelspider and editing Wikipedia pages on Miniature Wargaming as a self appointed expert under his own name….

Mike

So which cereal packet did your psychiatry qualifications come in, or are you just clumsily trying to sledge?

I earned my degree in Psychology at a fully accredited state university. My instructor in Abnormal Psychology was a graduate of the Freud Institute in Vienna for what that's worth to you. I concur with "Mister Tibbles" that Larry/Jon's behavior smacks of Bipolar Disorder, as those with Bipolar Disorder are characterized by making very poor decisions based upon the peaks and valleys of their emotional state induced by their affliction, and engaging in behavior up to and including the dubious if not downright illegal.

This does not excuse bad behavior, but it does offer an explanation however hypothetical it is at this point in the matter (I also have suspected that this is what ailed Tony Reidy of Wargames Factory/Defiance Games infamy, but that's another topic).

Having dealt with someone professionally who has the affliction, I can confirm that untreated the behavior of the afflicted person can become simply insufferable on a good day whichever direction their state of mind swings up or down. When up, this colleague promised us the moon and was full of energy and enthusiasm. When down, they literally ceased to function, ceased to communicate, and made all sorts of defensive and even dishonest excuses for their behavior, acting all brand new about everything including denying the very existence of extensive correspondence that proved their prior commitments to the shared professional goals of the team.

My ex-brother-in-law also suffered from Bipolar Disorder. When he was on his meds he was a perfectly fine human being. When he stopped taking his meds he became a proverbial monster in very short order. He would become verbally and even physically abusive towards his wife and children, necessitating a significant intervention by the extended family to persuade the man to resume his medication.

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
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Leland, if you really think that based on someone being foolish online, you have enough patient history to make a diagnosis like that, I would not want to be a patient of yours.

Why not just admit you want to slander the guy further and be done with it?

I believe this equine is deceased. Perhaps we can all refrain from a continued thrashing of the poor beast?

Why not just admit you want to slander the guy further and be done with it?

Nothing I stated is out of line as an hypothesis based upon an actual education in a mental health discipline. Having a mental illness BTW is not something to be ashamed of, so when have I ever slandered Larry Dunn/"Khurasan Jon?"

Quote me.

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

I believe this equine is deceased. Perhaps we can all refrain from a continued thrashing of the poor beast?

I suspect once its been reduced to the consistency of cat food, but not a minute before…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

I'm struggling to find where in DSM5 it says you can diagnose bipolar based solely on hearing about someone's foolish behaviour online. You know, the part which says you can dispense with formal interviews, case history review, observed behaviour in a clinical or occupational setting and notes from a referring doctor.

But hey, guess

Gentlemen, lets take a step back here. Is this topic worth any further angst over?

-Will

I'm struggling to find where in DSM5 it says you can diagnose bipolar based solely on hearing about someone's foolish behaviour online. You know, the part which says you can dispense with formal interviews, case history review, observed behaviour in a clinical or occupational setting and notes from a referring doctor.

But does it say one dispenses entirely with an hypothesis as a legitimate exercise in analysis in general? You know the difference between an hypothesis and a theory and an axiom, right, "McWong?" Besides, when did I state I was a licensed mental health practitioner or diagnostician in the mental health profession? I merely floated an hypothesis which anyone schooled in the Scientific Method would have taken at face value (and with a grain of salt as all hypotheses are meant to be taken until further conclusive proof one way or the other comes to light):

Seriously, dude, after you publicly accused me of "…. want[ing] to slander the guy further…" I rightly challenged you to prove your accusation by quoting me verbatim as to when and how I'd ever "slandered" Larry Dunn/"Jon"/Khurasan Miniatures, which you have declined to do, preferring instead to resort to deflection by logic fallacy.

Did you forget that here on TMP and elsewhere I was one of Khurasan Miniatures more outspoken fanboys? Or did that 2 x 4 on your shoulder obstruct your long term memory as well as your usually sound reason on this topic?

Seriously, "McWong," I suggest that you follow Will's sound advice, and stop trying to pick fights with people you really, truly don't know.

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
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So it's perfectly legit to sprout a half baked unproven hypothesis, and when you get called out on it you cry that the person who called shennanigans is engaged in logical fallacy?

That's like saying "I can insult someone because I used to like them"…wait a minute…

Inferring someone has bipolar without any leg to stand on classifies as an insult by my standards. Especially when you can do so knowing they can't reply. So even if you wish to split hairs about whether that's an act of slander (it may qualify as defamation actually), it certainly is ungentlemanly.

"McWong," you're wearing out your straw man supply to say the least, but do carry on…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

I feel like something was maybe missed here. While I'm not much for internet diagnoses either, it's entirely possible that when one posits illness as a reason for another's undesirable behaviour, that's meant not as slander, but as explanation or even as a reminder that maybe the rest of shouldn't be so quick to cast stones.

I don't think anyone of us interested in 15mm stuff on TMP walked away from KM's TMP-removal thinking that it ended well for anyone, really. Even the other manufacturers who might (and at best, it's might) benefit from KM not being here can't really be feeling GOOD about how it all went down.

I feel like something was maybe missed here. While I'm not much for internet diagnoses either, it's entirely possible that when one posits illness as a reason for another's undesirable behaviour, that's meant not as slander, but as explanation or even as a reminder that maybe the rest of shouldn't be so quick to cast stones.

Yes, there is that aspect of "daring" to posit such an hypothesis which seems to escape some people…

I don't think anyone of us interested in 15mm stuff on TMP walked away from KM's TMP-removal thinking that it ended well for anyone, really. Even the other manufacturers who might (and at best, it's might) benefit from KM not being here can't really be feeling GOOD about how it all went down.

Frankly, it left a bad taste in my mouth, as ours is a small community most of whose members are cottage businesses on a good day…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

I would refrain from making assumptions, even informed assumptions about the psychological condition of someone we are all familiar with here.

Few, if any of us here are what we appear to be.

{quote]I would refrain from making assumptions, even informed assumptions about the psychological condition of someone we are all familiar with here.

Few, if any of us here are what we appear to be.

An hypothesis constitutes neither "slander" nor an assumption. It is an educated guess subject to change if and when new verifiable evidence surfaces to overturn it.

As for appearing as we are, I do not presume to speak for others, especially the majority here. I speak only for myself, and what you see is essentially what you get (and God help you all).

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

This is terrible, for me any way. As I don't want a game of thrones mentality when I visit here. I just want to escape and read posts and get excited over minis….khurasan definitely has a lot of eye candy in 15mm scifi which I looked forward to on here……. I have bought from him 12 times and with a few exceptions he delivered in a timely manner. It is because of him and drooling over his scifi stuff that got me into this scale. In essence I owe him a lot and as a result I have bought stuff from almost all other companies…some more than 12x. While the tactic seems alil unsavory….it's not worse than the price gouging I felt was going on that GW did in the late 1990s, that got me off 28mm scifi in the first place. I forgive him if he did this with some agenda…..I will still buy from him….as well as all the other guys….. If he has a health issue lets give him some privacy from speculation.

If it doesn't meet criteria for tmp as "fair play" I understand as it is the rules. It makes me alil sad he won't be posting his wares on my fav website. I literally am on here several times per day. Guess I just wanted everyone to know I am alil sad by his banning from here.

Khurasan is still listed in the Manufacturers listings here on TMP.

You can access his website, and Facebook page from that.

Shipping out product does take a while, but thus far, it appears everyone eventually receives their orders, and the quality of the minis and vehicles are superb.

I too would like to see some of the other items previously shown, released sooner, rather than later, but he's a one man show (not counting his bevy of sculptors and contract manufacturer's personnel).

Oh dear…who got McWong started again!

Honestly guys I turn my head for but a minute.

Why can't we just share a bottle of wine and play a nice nasty big game of saga?