"Social Justice Warrior" Topic

This suddenly popular term on our forums is a pejorative term for people with a particular political viewpoint.

It has been added to the Bleep-o-matic.

Please do not use it.

Hmm. I think I disagree with this one. How about a poll option? Though I might disagree with the outcome of that too depending on where the vote falls.

Should the phrase "s… j… w…" be edited or banned?

Really?

OK – will do (not that I can recall ever using that term)

>>>This suddenly popular term on our forums is a pejorative term for people with a particular political viewpoint.

It's more of a term for a particular behavior pattern than it is a political viewpoint. Not all people of that political ideology behave as such.

But, it's your house and your rules. So I'll refrain from using the term here again.

Martin

You are expecting those who use it to spell it correctly.

what if one applies the term to oneself?

Is that a pejorative use?

it is use of a pejorative…

This suddenly popular term on our forums is a pejorative term for people with a particular political viewpoint.

And what viewpoint is that?

And what viewpoint is that?

The viewpoint that all people deserve equal rights.

>>>The viewpoint that all people deserve equal rights.

Um no.
It's a description of a behavior pattern by which people walk around with a chip on their shoulder just LOOKING for things to be "offended" at and express (often exaggerated) outrage at.

Martin

For those of us who are a little behind, what does it mean?

Um no.

Um yes.

For those of us who are a little behind, what does it mean?

Like I said, it is a description for people who think all people deserve equal rights.

But what does it actually mean?

And pejorative? Isn't that a machine for brewing coffee?

"The viewpoint that all people deserve equal rights."

The above is not my political view… it is my deeply held religious belief.

Isn't this kind of like the word "Mexican" or "Belgian" where the context very much drives it's rhetorical impact? For some it's an honorific, for others a denigration, and for yet others and its simply a term indicating one has an outside interest in ensuring that members of systemically disenfranchised populations can secure a fair shake often at the direct detriment of more successful members of the poluation.

Really? Most people here aren't even aware of this issue, unless they read that "Homeric" thread. Oh well, if anyone uses it, it'll just get bleeped.

>>>Like I said, it is a description for people who think all people deserve equal rights.

It's kind of amusing to watch you try to put a nice spin on what is essentially a behavior problem.

The newly banned term generally describes a form of behavior rather than an ideological view point.

Martin

Since it is a pejorative term, it is an interesting statement of your behavior and beliefs, since you feel the need to denigrate fans of equality.

well done Editor…enough of that taliban of Social Justice…above all and only if their money , belongings , yard and snobish attitude will not be affected…so is, without any doubts, a pejorative therm….i totally agree with Trenchraider

Equality is great. Sure, it can't really exist outside of laboratory conditions, but it's neat stuff.

Here we go again.

>>>Like I said, it is a description for people who think all people deserve equal rights.

It's kind of amusing to watch you try to put a nice spin on what is essentially a behavior problem.

The newly banned term generally describes a form of behavior rather than an ideological view point..

Hmmm…indeed. It seems as if those who object to the now-banned term, when looking at the Hugo Awards and Gamergate frays, attempt to silence those they don't agree with rather than ensuring "equality." So Those Who May Not Be Named wish only for equality of the same view, it seems.

The term has been around for some time amongst online gamers. It has more to do with unbalanced zealotry for the cause du jour, than whether or not one agrees with the particular cause du jour. It is sort of a subset of Godwin's Law at this point, but prohibiting the cliche is tantamount to censoring 'zealot', 'fanatic' or 'extremist' and will be about as useful.

"Actually, it's about ethics in forum moderation" ?

Let's keep the gamergate garbage out of here. There's other forums where you can talk about that stuff.

It's like football. No matter where you go online, someone wants to warble on about it.

It's for grown men who need a good hardy back rub after reading something hurtful on TMP!

What scale does it come in?

It's a term used on social media like Reddit etc to dismiss anyone who is pro-equality (as has been hinted) by the sort of people who throw their toys out of the pram thinking that new Mad Max film has taken their manlihood away etc.

It seems to be a bit of a thing atm. Years ago, they used to be called 'do-gooders' in a derogatory fashion.

There is a far-right equivalent to the term, but it would be beeped out if I was to use it here.

I would take being called that as a compliment. Sorta like the old saw about a European calling an American (US citizen for the pedantic) a "cowboy". It was meant as an insult and accepted as a compliment, Yippee Ki Yae…

But do they make any in 28mm? We could do a game

If my arch-conservative friends are to be trusted, any supplier of Red Army mini's will make good [banned word here] warriors ;)

But do they make any in 28mm? We could do a game

It could make for an interesting pulp game, but you would also need 28mm klansmen. And a Boss Hogg expy.

I'm confused…I under stand "bleeping" cuss words or even racial slurs…but banning ideas, or view points? Or am I making this out to be to simple?

Think of it as a kind of Godwin's Law thing. It's pretty much like dismissing a conservative as a Nazi.

I would start a poll on in bleeping but the bleeping and snipping would render it unintelligible.

And that boys and girls is how one evaded the bleep-o-Matic.
Capitalization (or not) out of context.

Seriously though…..
We need a poll on this. STAT!!!!!

If a poll was taken now, and it decided that it was OK to use, then all the right-wingers here would begin to use it with impunity though, wouldn't they? It would be an encouragement. Some of them here have even admitted they hadn't heard of the term before.

Can we just have a list of all the things we are allowed to say/talk about?

Can we just have a list of all the things we are allowed to say/talk about?

Personally I think Bill should just nuke everything outside of the Parlor that isn't directly connected to military history or miniatures.

To all:
This seems very odd to me. If someone accused me of being a warrior for social justice, I would be confused but not offended. What about egalitarian militant liberal? Can people be called levellers? Are the individual words banned or just that particular string of three words in that order and what about the acronym? Can we use the words in a different order? For example if I write the sentence,"Taliban warriors are being brought to justice due to changing social norms in Afghanistan.", will that trigger the bleep-o-matic? Can one call someone a warrior for social justice or write WSJ? Could this be construed as religious intolerance as we no longer can use the acronym for "single white Jew" or "Solstice joyful Wiccans"? Just exactly how many crystalline spheres control planetary motion? Can we count the number of angels on a pin? Is this like 1984 except we are being forced to follow the rules of "New Not-speak"? Is it right or practical to attempt to control discourse by banning benign words which have taken on a new connotation? What about similar phrases like 'paladin for societal equality' (PSE)? Are words like zealot, fanatic, or extremist to be banned?
This just seems a whole lot of silly to deal with a minor problem that will likely not crop up that often. People need to grow thicker skin and at the same time make their cases based on persuasion rather than attacking and labeling those they are debating with.
We are obsessed by the trivial and blind to the real tragedies and injustices which are occurring all around us daily. But let's make the packaging pretty even if the contents is rotting inside! The world is topsy-turfy and I wanna get off! But I'm too fat to reach escape velocity – curse the human condition!
Rotund Rod Robertson.

If a poll was taken now, and it decided that it was OK to use, then all the right-wingers here would begin to use it with impunity though, wouldn't they? It would be an encouragement. Some of them here have even admitted they hadn't heard of the term before.

I hadn't heard of the term until Dear Editor in Chief decided to ban it.
Now I find that as a proud card carrying right winger I would be forced FORCED!!!!! to use it if a poll banning its use was rejected.
I had heard of "social justice" used by earnest trouble making bleeding hearts but not with "warrior" tacked on the end.

MHDee wrote:
"If a poll was taken now, and it decided that it was OK to use, then all the right-wingers here would begin to use it with impunity though, wouldn't they? It would be an encouragement. Some of them here have even admitted they hadn't heard of the term before."
If you are concerned with human rights and social equality then why not wear the term with pride and disarm detractors when they use the phrase. I am a proud small-L liberal steeped in the tradition of John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, John Stuart-Mill and Thomas Payne and would be honored to be named a ! After all there was a reason it was called the "Enlightenment"!
Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Hmmm.Rod can you aquaint us of any of the terms of abuse that you say have now disarmed distractors?

I only look at the pictures anyway.

Crumple:
At one time the term "liberal" became so unpopular that people tried to rebrand themselves as "progressives", but now liberal is coming back into fashion. The term Yankee or Yank was often used by the British as a pejorative term but then became a term of pride in America- just ask Jimmy Cagney. More recently the N-word is used with pride or at least neutral implication by some black males in urban idiom and music.
Rod Robertson.

Watch for daily updates from the Newspeak dictionary!

"Yank" is always funny to me, because in Europe, it just means "American" but if you're in the US, mercy on your soul if you call someone a "Yankee" in the wrong state :)

Words always change meaning though.
One of my black friends grandmother still uses "Negro" because when she grew up, that was the correct and polite term to use.
My friend wouldn't dream of using that, because it's had baggage added to it.

Or witness "liberal" in American usage versus European usage where it means quite distinct things.

Rod,
liberal is a nothing problem. Yank when used by british people wasn't really an insult( it's an American insult). The N word is a Yankee thing.

In ancient Israel one of the nastiest insults one could throw at someone was to call them a "Samaritan". Now that term is associated with empathy, charity and social concern and is used as a term of flattery.

Must be true, Ancient Israel? Is that the best you have got?