bandrsntch | 17 May 2015 4:49 p.m. PST |
Anyone know what the NCO distinctions for Spanish Infantry are? I need to paint up a Sergent for a Sharp Practice game. My unit has the older style uniform, all white with green facings. |
Zargon | 17 May 2015 5:22 p.m. PST |
Hi bandrsntch, my info says a red sash around the waist for sergeants, the artist Suhr shows grenadiers NCOs with a full epulette on the right shoulder. So for Sharps Practice I would in full unPCness have a swathier than usual gent with a bigger and bushier moustache with both the epulette and sash together :) my Serge the Sargent is a conversion from Blaze Away miniatures gotten from the nice gents at Lancashire Games but I'd look at Front Rank as well. Cheers happy gaming fun with SP (nice fun rules) |
bandrsntch | 18 May 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
Hmmm. Red sash and epaulette? Thought they were usually reserved for Officers. I was thinking chevrons on the sleeves, but I know next to nothing on Napoleonic Spanish uniforms and my small amount of reference material says nothing about Spanish NCO's. Nor have I been able to find anything on the internet. Worst case I can just put a sticker on the stand to denote he's a sergeant. |
Quiles | 18 May 2015 2:37 p.m. PST |
Hello bandrsntch, Spanish NCO distinctions are the following: -First sergeant: two epaulettes of the regimental facing colour. -Second Sergeant: one epaulette on the right shoulder. No sash please… P.D. Hope that helps :) |
bandrsntch | 18 May 2015 4:35 p.m. PST |
Ok thanks. I'm not sure how I would add an epaulette to a Front Rank figure though. Maybe cutting one out of some paper or thin card and gluing them on would work. Anyone done this? |
Musketier | 22 May 2015 3:25 p.m. PST |
If these are the older, 18th C. style epaulettes, as I suspect, they would be pretty flat, more like a ribbon, so just painting them on should do? @ Quiles: I remember seeing a mannequin in the Tenerife museum wearing reversed colours, and being told he was a "cabo". That would have been for the Africa regiment in the 1790s (at the time of Nelson's attack). Was this practice unique to that regiment perhaps? |
custosarmorum | 10 May 2016 6:53 p.m. PST |
Does anyone know what the NCO distinctions were for the M1802 uniform? I am painting some Brigade Spanish in that uniform and have some Capitan/Battle Models NCOs. The latter have epaulettes. Based on what is above (which I assume is for the M1805 uniform), would they be black? Or red to match the shoulder boards, or red shoulder boards with black fringe? I have consulted my copy of the Summerfield and Cronin volume and could not find an answer. While the book contains a lot of useful information, I was dismayed to see no discussion of something as fundamental as rank distinctions in the study. I appreciate any help. |
Bill Slavin | 14 May 2016 6:06 a.m. PST |
Timely! I just posted a query about Spanish NCO's and standard bearers on the Discussion board (probably wrong place!) So NCO answered but tagging on to this discussion, does anyone know the standard bearer's epaulette colouring? My figure appears to be a junior officer with fringed epaulette on left shoulder and simple strap on right. Does anyone know the colour of the fringe and markings on the epaulette and shoulder strap? I'm wondering if the junior officer would follow the French convention, which I have some good reference on. Any help is much appreciated! |
keithbarker | 23 May 2016 7:05 a.m. PST |
I think you will find the following applies generally to the Spanish army. This list is based upon the 1803 regulations. The rank of squadron commander was created in July 1810. Field grade officers are shown wearing two epaulettes as well as the lace stripes listed below. Officers lace was gold or silver depending on button colour. Sergeants epaulettes were of facing colour. Colonel: Three gold/silver lace stripes around the coat cuffs. Lieutenant Colonel: Two gold/silver lace stripes around the coat cuffs. Squadron Commander: A gold lace stripe above a silver lace stripe around the coat cuffs. (regardless of button colour) Major: One gold/silver lace stripe around the coat cuffs. Captain: Two gold/silver wire epaulettes. Lieutenant: A gold/silver wire epaulette on the right shoulder. Second Lieutenant (Subteniente) or Standard Bearer (Alferez): A gold/silver wire epaulette on the left shoulder. 1st Sergeant: Two worsted fringed epaulettes. 2nd Sergeant: A worsted fringed epaulette on the right shoulder. I have been putting some of my notes on the Spanish army onto my website and you might find the following of use… link |
keithbarker | 23 May 2016 7:25 a.m. PST |
@bandrsntch -- I would give your sergeant two green worsted fringed epaulettes (big things that cannot be painted on). But you can probably make them easily out of "green-stuff". Spanish infantry sergeants had the same equipment as their men with the addition of a grenadier-style short sabre, so you'll need to find one of these somewhere. |
keithbarker | 23 May 2016 7:34 a.m. PST |
@Bill Slavin -- a fringed epaulette on left shoulder is correct for an ensign (Alferez), the colour being gold or silver depending on the units button colour. |
Bill Slavin | 31 May 2016 5:57 a.m. PST |
Thanks, Keith. I just noticed your response and checked out the information on your website. This is all very helpful. |