"CoC Modern Combat - Coalition Figures" Topic
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mwindsorfw | 17 May 2015 6:52 a.m. PST |
I assume in the upcoming modern combat version of Chain of Command Coalition forces will be smaller than Insurgent forces. Any idea of how many and what type of figures I will need for Coalition forces. If I buy now, I might actually have something painted when the rules come out. |
Black Guardian | 17 May 2015 9:55 a.m. PST |
How many? About a platoon + support for Chain of Command, I guess not much will change in the modern version. What type? Depends on the faction you want to play. ISAF features many countries. The standard British and US platoon has three Sections/Squads with 2 Fireteams each (US Marines have 3 per squad). The fireteams are 4 men strong, usually with 1 Team Leader, 1 Rifleman, 1 Automatic Rifleman (SAW) and 1 Grenadier with UGL. For US, you need to add a Squad leader (=9 men), British sections are 8 men strong with one of the fireteam-leaders leading the section. If you want to play something else, you need to be more specific in your request ;) |
Jamesonsafari | 17 May 2015 10:28 a.m. PST |
I think most of the Western armies follow similar organizations. Some like the Canadians and I think the Australians have a plt weapons detachment with GPMGs and shoulder fired AT assets. So do a platoon with appropriate national ride and some supports and there you go; lots to start with. |
Generalstoner49 | 17 May 2015 12:44 p.m. PST |
The Aussies and the Canucks are very close to the standard formations listed above. German squads tend to be larger. I think they are 6 men per section. The French are the polar opposite with 3 men per section. |
Leigh Neville | 17 May 2015 3:11 p.m. PST |
Very good advice here. Fighting Season will indeed require a platoon or so of Coalition Forces with some support options to choose from; EDD dogs, Javelins, snipers etc. At the moment it looks like we are including US Army, USMC, the Brits, the Australians, the Canadians, the French and the Germans (and hopefully the Danes) in the initial release. The insurgents are of roughly similar headcount in some scenarios and actually lower in a number in others. FS will encourage and reward insurgent shoot-and-scoot tactics and the use of IEDs and ambushes. If he attempts a stand-up fight, in most cases he will be smashed. Glad you're looking forward to the game. Hope this helps. |
mwindsorfw | 17 May 2015 3:28 p.m. PST |
Can anyone point me to a basic resource for small unit organization in various companies? I started looking up the U.S., and realized that it's either the wrong era, I can't understand the acronyms, and a lot of it is too complicated (is the battalion tank heavy? Huh?). There ought to be an Idiot's Guide for this. |
Leigh Neville | 17 May 2015 4:05 p.m. PST |
There will be lists in Fighting Season but to get you going now stick with the advice above. For generic US Army, three squads of two fire teams each (four soldiers in one fire team with two carrying M4 carbines, one carrying the M4 with the M203 or M320 grenade launcher, and one carrying an M249 squad automatic weapon. The second fire team is the same except it also has a junior NCO as squad leader- again with an M4) Twenty seven soldiers in the three squads and add a platoon headquarters of Platoon Leader, Platoon Sergeant, and Medic for starters. For USMC, it's three fire teams per squad rather than two (thirteen guys per squad including the squad leader) and again three squads per platoon. Largely same weapon mix apart from the M16A4 rifle that serves the role of the M4. A platoon based on the above will provide you with a significant head start when FS is released. You'll need some support options (designated marksmen, dogs, M240 machine-guns, maybe some M27 automatic rifles if you decide current USMC) but these can be added later. The generic platoons outlined above will enable you to play scenarios straight away (along with some insurgents of course!). |
mwindsorfw | 17 May 2015 4:18 p.m. PST |
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Leigh Neville | 17 May 2015 4:21 p.m. PST |
Hope it helps mate. Shout here or on the Too Fat Lardies forum if you have further questions or need help with TO&Es. |
Dennis0302 | 17 May 2015 5:21 p.m. PST |
@Leigh Neville your US Army TO+E is missing the weapons squad (two M 240s and two Javelins) The USMC platoon will have two M240G teams attached from the weapons platoon and two SMAW teams as well. These attachments are the norm. |
Leigh Neville | 17 May 2015 8:11 p.m. PST |
Yes I should have mentioned both of those Dennis- they're in the TO&Es. My mind is old and fraying. Glad you're on the ball, thank you. |
Risaldar Singh | 18 May 2015 8:54 a.m. PST |
Generalstoner49, I'm not sure what you call a three-man "section" (section being French for platoon and British English for squad) but a French infantry platoon is: - 1 command group with 1 platoon leader, 1 asst platoon leader, 1 radio operator -3 combat squads with 1 squad leader, 1 marksman, 2 fireteams of 3 men each and 2 vehicle crewmen (driver and gunner) who stay in the APC - 1 anti-tank squad with 1 squad leader, 2 Eryx AT missile gunners, 2 loaders and 2 vehicle crewmen. In Afghanistan, Eryx missiles (and apparently some Milans) were mostly replaced by Javelins, additional radio operator were provided to assign each platoon one. The number of medics was also increased. |
Andy P | 22 Dec 2015 4:58 a.m. PST |
@ Risalder: Javelin it seems was not used operationally in Afghanistan so Milan would still ahve been used. Eryx was replaced with AA-52-NF1 GPMG's in there place. You could take support options from the Company Support platoon. SUPPORT PLATOON The support platoon is organized as follows : – 1 x command team with 2 x men (1 x platoon leader, 1 x NCO) – 1 x sniper squad with 1 squad leader and 2 x sniper teams, each one with : 1 x team leader, 1x heavy sniper with PGM Hecate II, 1 x spotter/light sniper with FRF2/HK417 – 1 mortar squad with 1 x squad leader, 2 x mortar teams ; each mortar team has 1 x team leader, 4 x men, 1 x 81 mm Mo F1 LRR – 1 x AT squad with 2 x ATGM teams (15 x men) ; each one with 1 x team leader, 2 x men, 1 MILAN ATGM – 4 x APCs/AIFVs + 8 crews (4 x drivers and 4 x gunners). |
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