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Tango01 | 09 May 2015 3:30 p.m. PST |
"The Marine Corps has served a role in every conflict in the history of the United States. That is because the Marines operate on sea, air, and land — unlike the other services — and can respond to a crisis in under 24 hours with the full force of a modern military. Earlier this week President Barack Obama nominated Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford Jr. to serve as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the second Marine to ever hold the highest leadership position in the armed services. Today there are more than 200,000 active-duty and reserve Marines. We have pulled some of the coolest photos from the Marine Corps archives…" Full article here link Hope you enjoy! Amicalement Armand |
ochoin | 09 May 2015 4:02 p.m. PST |
Definitely not meant to offend, but why does the US have such a large & largely autonomous Marine Corps? |
mad monkey 1 | 09 May 2015 4:59 p.m. PST |
link Quick overview. Essentially they sold themselves as a on call fire brigade when needed. To do that, they had to be bit larger than a ship's company. |
Mardaddy | 09 May 2015 6:22 p.m. PST |
ochoin: We could say they have a specific mission and parameters of capability no other branch is required to meet, but then that begs the question, "Why can't the other branches do that?" Which, with a tweak of training, they actually can (and this is from a retired Marine… blasphemy?) To paraphrase Gen. Krulak, "There will be a Marine Corps until the American public decides otherwise." He was speaking to the trust the public has in the USMC's history and reputation, and if we should sully that trust, we go away as a corps and the Army takes over the mission. |
badger22 | 09 May 2015 10:45 p.m. PST |
In larrge part the other services can. But, the army is to big, Air Force to associated with just aircraft, and Squids with ships. The Army does not have the anphip capability, but in terms of forced entry the 82nd Airborne can get a division there as fast as a plane can fly. i do not belive the Marines have that many paratroops. If we got rid of the marines, we would just have to roll the mission into the Army. So no savings of real significance. I am totaly jealous of the Marines and thier organic fixed wing capability. Nothing like having your own air support rather than people who do for you what they think you need. As much as the Corp in general and specific people who are Marines irritate me over the years I would not want fopr there to be no USMC. If for nothing else for us Army types to make fun of. owen |
ochoin | 10 May 2015 2:54 a.m. PST |
To sum up then: the USMC doesn't do anything the US army *couldn't* do but because they're smaller & are self-contained they are more efficient in their chosen roles? I do understand the importance of elite formations of course. Thanks for the replies. |
paulgenna | 11 May 2015 9:37 a.m. PST |
The Marines are much more mobile and cost far less. I served in both the Army and the Marines and I can tell you there is a big difference. Marines are trained to take it to the enemy basically at whatever cost. Units needing air support will generally be provided that support by Marine aviators who are linked to their brothers on the ground. All Marines are considered to be infantry and will be used that way when needed. Overall the cost to accomplish the mission will be less. The Army is bloated and responds much slower, less the airborne units. They will want to build up their strength and it will require greater assistance from the Navy and Airforce to move them. The Army may tell you that you can serve as infantry but rarely did they pull you into the role. As a Marine I got pulled in a couple of times. Never in the Army. I saw my pay go up 10-15% when I switched from the Marines to the Army and I did not get promoted. |
Wolfhag | 11 May 2015 10:14 a.m. PST |
Yes, "theoretically" the Army can take over the Marines mission. If the Army were to take over the Marines rapid deployment and amphib mission the first thing they would want is their own Navy and carriers. That's how the procurement game is played at the Pentagon. Then they'd have to designate another "elite" unit and I think they are running out of colors and emblem designs for their beanie caps because everyone is "special" in the Army. Please don't refer to Marines as "elite". The term Marine is just fine thank you. The Army 82nd Airborne and Ranger units are designed for quick insertion to take key enemy installations and air fields and to hold them until reinforced. They are the best at that mission. They are not designed for sustained operations by themselves. They are not a combined arms unit. A small reinforced Marine Battalion Landing Team on cruise around the world has infantry, heavy weapons, recon, comm, intel, air, helicopter, logistical support and artillery assets that have all worked and trained together before deploying. Add to that the Naval carrier aviation air-ground team integrated into that with limited naval gunfire support. It not better than the Army, just different with a different mission. The Army is tops in the world in mech warfare without a doubt – their mission, not the Marines. Airborne too but the Marines use helicopters so don't need airborne. These different missions compliment each other. Special Operations like SOF, Delta, etc does not provide direct support to a Marine unit so is not their mission either. MARSOC is used by the Marines for beyond FEBA recon but not generally the same type missions as SEAL and other SF units. I was at the local Marine recruiting station last week. Their quota is made for the next 18 months and I'm in SF area of California. The standards are so high to get into the infantry (which is the most requested MOS) you have to almost max the Physical Fitness Test. Recruit candidates that fail the Marine PFT are told they are "Army Strong" and to go next door to enlist there. I'm not sure what's going on with the regular Army (specialized Ranger, Airborne and SF not included here). Here is a series of three pictures of my son Wolfgang showing a regular Army infantry Sergeant the NZ Army Steyer Aug rifle. link He said the Sgt (14th Infantry Regiment) did not know what the receiver group was, had no idea of the term "racking the bolt back" and tried numerous times to insert the magazine in backwards. If you look closely you can see the "W-T-F" look on Wolfgang's face. Maybe some Army guys can come to his defense? Please? The Marine 1st Radio Battalion provides specialized tactical EW and radio satcomm assets to front line Marine Infantry and Recon units. Here is your comedic relief for the day. Something I put together for our Marine Birthday Party Cruise. Enjoy. link Wolfhag 0311 USMC 1972-75 |
Marc33594 | 12 May 2015 6:53 a.m. PST |
Amazing slide slow, couldn't stop laughing yet so much so true! Thanks for sharing |
Tango01 | 12 May 2015 11:13 a.m. PST |
Excellent! (smile) Amicalement Armand
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