"Tramp steamer available from Sgts' Mess" Topic

The tramp steamer was released yesterday; find details of it here:

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Looks very nice indeed.

Nice, any thoughts on doing a Clyde Puffer?

Interesting, 20mm "scale" (yes, it is a size, not a scale but war gamers have this… practice…) is not a size I use (other than 20mm mice, a long story,) regualrly.

Would it be compatible, (I am assuming yes,) with 15/18mm figures?

So, if 20mm "size" is (per TMP link ) nominally 1/80.5 scale that makes the ship:

310 mm X 60 mm

times 80.5

24955 mm x 4830 mm

roughly 25 (24.955) m x 5 (4.83) m?

let me try 1/100 scale.

31000 mm x 6000 mm

31 m x 6 m?

Is that about "right" for a historical equivalent ship?

link makes me wonder about the representative size.

Wikipedia caveat: link More Wikipedia

And finally,

Okay, sailor types – help me, please.

"… The size of tramp ships remained relatively constant from 1900 to 1940, at about 7,000 to 10,000 deadweight tons (dwt.)…" means very roughly about what in size dimensions?

Looks good anyway.

Edit:

PDF link

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"… This was a patent design of about 340 feet in length, 45 feet wide, and a deadweight capacity of 4,500 tons…"

Roughly 103.6 m x 13.7 m then.

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Ooh. I like that one much more than last week's release (which is still a fine vessel). This is what you need for Skull Island or other Lost World.

Great price- pity its not 28mm

20mm roughly equates to 1/72nd. This boat is the smallest type of cargo ship. It is intended for rivers and jettys where the draught is too shallow for its larger brethren. It would work with 15 and 18mm figures as well.

Thank Sgts Mess – Riverine, more so than Coastal or ocean-going.

Edit: all that math for nought…

Okay, sailor types – help me, please.

"… The size of tramp ships remained relatively constant from 1900 to 1940, at about 7,000 to 10,000 deadweight tons (dwt.)…" means very roughly about what in size dimensions?

Deadweight tonnage is a measure of what the ship is carrying (cargo, fuel, passengers, etc), not the whole ship (that's displacement). link

That said, you're talking about something able to safely carry 7k-10k cubic meters of stuff (maybe more, but that's a reasonable estimate for volume).

Liberty Ships carry just under 11,000tons deadweight, and are ~135m long, 17.3m wide, and draw 8.5m of water.

How about a pic or two with 15mm and 20mm figs. I am interested in these two vessels for gaming in 15mm games, too.

Russ

Hmmm, FOW commando style games or the docks at Tobruk…

Great ship!

That ship looks great. I would like an even larger one. What do you have for crew figures? Primarily WWII era German or American?

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Very nice model. The painter, though, apparently doesn't know that orange color on the life rings didn't happen until the 1960's.

Will get some photos done in the next few days of the 15 and 20mm figures to scale it.

We have tried all along to do crews with everything we do, our sculptor is working on it I promise!

No, I didn't know about the lifebelt, I did it to give it a bit of colour – put it down to a girlie's mistake! Ellen…

I believe the term "Tramp" refers more to the fact that the ship wasn't on a regular schedule and picked up cargos of opportunity rather than a specific size or cargo capacity. Since they didn't have a steady source of income they tended to be less capable and more decrepit than other ships. "Twilight for the Gods" by Ernest K. Gann is about a tramp ship.