jdpintex | 03 May 2015 3:06 p.m. PST |
Give it a rest. You are not an editor or an assistant. If you don't like it, then complain or better yet , don't click on the link |
Legion 4 | 03 May 2015 3:12 p.m. PST |
I have to agree … if you don't like a thread … don't read it. Of course since Don k stifled me … he won't be able to read my posts anyway … right ? |
Pizzagrenadier | 03 May 2015 3:17 p.m. PST |
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Tango01 | 03 May 2015 4:09 p.m. PST |
Dude…! (smile) Amicalement Armand |
Cosmic Reset | 03 May 2015 4:26 p.m. PST |
I'm with Don kyoteblue on this one. Love to see more discussion about actual games or game projects here. |
cwlinsj | 03 May 2015 4:46 p.m. PST |
Politics is an integral part of conflict. Wars don't start without at least 2 sides with conflicting views. IMHO, understanding the background and history of a conflict adds to the realism & enjoyment of gaming. Without that, I'd go back to chess. I also don't care if others have differing views, but some people think theirs is the only right one. That is when trouble erupts. |
David in Coffs | 03 May 2015 4:54 p.m. PST |
I agree that politics gives the cause and influences the effect. As such it has its place in discussing ultra modern games including victory conditions – so rather than trying to win the political game other than say "Junta" I'd rather be discussing miniatures, rules, terrain etc than talking about domestic politics. |
Blackhorse MP | 03 May 2015 4:58 p.m. PST |
If you want more wargaming threads, start them. If you don't like the political threads don't click on them. Or at least don't click on them a second time after you've discovered they're political in nature. Simple really. |
Winston Smith | 03 May 2015 5:22 p.m. PST |
The Ultramodern Board is nothing but a trap to catch those stupid enough to not realize it is a trap. Spout the wrong politics and it's off to the Dawghouse with ye. |
Cacique Caribe | 03 May 2015 5:47 p.m. PST |
Cwlinsj: "Politics is an integral part of conflict. Wars don't start without at least 2 sides with conflicting views. IMHO, understanding the background and history of a conflict adds to the realism & enjoyment of gaming." Yes. Warfare encompasses much much more than a simple battle. And I thought I had defended that point rather well, if I may say so, in one of my posts in ISIS – Apocalyptic Cult thread: TMP link Then on that thread I was asked to post scenarios or something game-related in Ultramodern from time to time. And I thought did that in the No Plans For A Rescue Mission In Yemen, but didn't hear back: TMP link I just don't think how you can deny the discussion of something so integral to warfare on just this board, but politics becomes completely acceptable, even necessary, for the discussions on other periods, even when we don't share the same opinions either about what happened back then. Dan |
53Punisher | 03 May 2015 5:48 p.m. PST |
If the board is such a cause for argument, why not have: Ultramodern (Political Only) Ultramodern (Gaming Only) Then everyone can be satisfied and shut up about it already. 👍 |
Blackhorse MP | 03 May 2015 5:50 p.m. PST |
53 Punisher, I'll second that. Then we'll have the so-called "Truth in Advertising". But people will still complain.
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Pictors Studio | 03 May 2015 6:14 p.m. PST |
So I just went through the top 49 threads on this board. Not one of them has been started by the OP except this one. It seems like if you want to see more gaming stuff on this board and less politics, why don't you start threads about gaming stuff. Paint some figures. Take a picture or two, put them on imgur, post a thread with links to them. Play a game, take pictures of the game as it goes along, post a battle report. Set up a diorama with your modern stuff, take a picture, post it on here. Buy some figures, write a review about the good and the bad in them. Post it on here. Etc. etc. etc. Getting more gaming material on the ultramodern board, super simple stuff. |
Cacique Caribe | 03 May 2015 6:27 p.m. PST |
53Punisher: "If the board is such a cause for argument, why not have: Ultramodern (Political Only) Ultramodern (Gaming Only)" Then you'll have to do also for every single period in the history boards!!! I'd love to see a discussions in the Napoleonics board that omitted all references to who was allied with whom, and why, who declared war because of perceived transgressions, what propaganda was used by each side to gain supporters, what dissenters there were in each kingdom, who double-dealed and so on. You won't find a single one, because you can't simply put two armies against each other without discussing background, motivations and behind the scenes dealings (politics)! Same goes for Ancients, Medieval, Renaissance, ECW, American Revolution, ACW, WW2, Cold War, Vietnam, etc. I dare anyone to limit themselves to discussing only uniforms, arms, armor, tactics, terrain and rules – and nothing else – in every one of their posts from now on, on each of those other historical boards! Dan |
Cyrus the Great | 03 May 2015 6:43 p.m. PST |
Spout the wrong politics and it's off to the Dawghouse with ye. Or whole parts of the conversation can be redacted on the thread. |
Cacique Caribe | 03 May 2015 6:43 p.m. PST |
Kyote, Then I see no point sticking around here, in a handicapped board limited solely to issues of the field. I'll make sure to unclick Ultramodern on my preference list. And I'll make sure not to crosspost to it either. See you on the other boards though. :) Dan PS. And if we are being that literal, I guess any discussions about 2016 and later should be treated as SF then, with full permission to discuss any politics and conflicts projected for that possible future? For example: TMP link TMP link TMP link |
Visceral Impact Studios | 03 May 2015 7:13 p.m. PST |
As many have noted politics and public policy drive causes for war and how wars are fought. As such those topics are certainly related to wargaming and can be enjoyable and informative. They can guide tabletop force composition and scenario development. However, it would also be nice to have a forum for topics dedicated specifically to modern tabletop gaming discussions instead of having to sift through the military current affairs chaff. It's fine if people want to discuss why ISIS is winning or not and not mention anything even remotely related to tabletop gaming. The editors have decided that is ok on TMP. And I agree: if you don't like a topic then don't read it! I just don't see why we can't have a board(s) dedicated to Military Current Affairs (the stuff Tango posts) and a board dedicated to modern tabletop gaming which would cover how one specifically models modern war using miniature soldiers and model terrain. The difference is between the political discussions that currently dominate the board ("We could win in Afghanistan with the right ROE) and miniature wargaming topics ("Ambush Alley does a good job recreating modern ROE for these reasons"). The former, Tango-style discussion could be equally at home on a Fox News or MSNBC forum. The latter wouldn't appear on those sites but would appear on tabletop gaming forums. It's not rocket science. |
Pictors Studio | 03 May 2015 7:27 p.m. PST |
"Pictor Studio I do post about Ultra Modern but mostly on face book as that is where I can post pictures. Working on 15mm T-64's from QRF and a plastic Zvezda T-72. I'm looking at 5core Company Commander and or Modern FOW." Yeah, but you're complaining here. You can post pictures here, it is easy enough. Post pictures of your t-64's when you're done with them. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 03 May 2015 8:36 p.m. PST |
Less politiks? Where's the fun in that? |
basileus66 | 03 May 2015 10:50 p.m. PST |
I like the politics in the Ultramodern board. It gives me ideas about potential games, victory goals, set ups, ecc. |
cwlinsj | 03 May 2015 11:02 p.m. PST |
No they don't. Like I and others have said, you cant have one without the other. As long as people dont go stepping on each others' toes, what's the problem? This is an example of what I find objectionable, how one person wants to control how other people can enjoy something. |
David in Coffs | 04 May 2015 4:04 a.m. PST |
We could continue to mix politics ( of the partisan variety rather than information) with gaming – we just need some rules that we can live with, some victory conditions and of course the correct scale miniatures (53mm). Easy! Perhaps a version of "Nuclear Escalation?" Or "Paranoia" ??????? |
Legion 4 | 04 May 2015 5:45 a.m. PST |
As I said before … if you don't like a thread … don't read it. Of course since Don k stifled me … |
paulgenna | 04 May 2015 5:52 a.m. PST |
I enjoy the politics. Makes me think and also helps to understand why a decision was made. |
Klebert L Hall | 04 May 2015 5:56 a.m. PST |
Wargaming is just politicsgaming by other means. -Kle. |
Legion 4 | 04 May 2015 6:37 a.m. PST |
Indeed … War is the continuation of politics by other means.Carl von Clausewitz Don … who are you/we to question Carl v ?! |
Weasel | 04 May 2015 9:02 a.m. PST |
If there was a "ultra modern" board that was dedicated just to gaming, it'd have one post every 3 months. I feel it'd be easier to rename it "gripe about the world" board. That way, nobody would be confused. |
Inkpaduta | 04 May 2015 10:13 a.m. PST |
Kyoteblue, You have made your point about the politics several times. But the funny thing is I always see you joining into the political discussions. If politics brothers you so badly, then just stay away. |
Legion 4 | 05 May 2015 8:08 a.m. PST |
The "Ghosts in the TMP machine" must not like what you have to say Don ? |