"Building a Camaron Hacienda" Topic

Yay! Always wanted to do it! In 15mm it should be a cinch! (except for some thatched roofs, always a challenge)

Thinking it might be a candidate for a one piece compound on a base?

has to be a very thin base, and pretty dang sturdy.

Suggestions?

(Plus gotta talk to my guy, he may want modular anyway, which was my first suggestion, but I'm liking a one piece now)

Built specifically for individual based figs for Howard Whitehouse's rules. Very cool!

Will have to be damned nice, as I have seen some great builds by folks.

mdf board base….

Yes, but how thin can I get it? Easy enough to make the outer walls flush with the ground, and actually stuck against the MDF base, but for camaron, there were gaps in the wall. Can't have a gap with a 1/4" step up, you know what I mean? I guess I could ease the step up by having some rubble and debris on the ground?

Is there MDF in like 1/8th inch?

Was thinking aircraft quality plywood, but I don't know if that warps. CANNOT have warping!

BTW Murphy, your praise (and the TMPers who played your game) for my mexican buildings got me another cool assignment. A dude wants a huge "El Quapo" style hacienda in 28mm. Thanks! :)

Wait, maybe the contractor would want a much larger base, and I can sand down the edges so they are a natural looking slope? ( I need to remember who is paying for shipping, me or him, before I suggest THAT idea, LOL!

Styrene plastic.

A little harder to cut, but won't warp, comes in various thicknesses, and is very sturdy.

LOL! How did I forget Styrene? Thanks for reminding me.

A real B word to glue down foamcore walls and buildings, thought, and raised terrain detail.

Wait. maybe spraypaint a textured primer coat? That would make spackle and paint "earth" much easier to stick to it?

And lightly sand the styrene to rough up the surface and give the glue, etc. a better surface to which to stick.

Jim

Yep, Col!

Anyway, probably not an issue. A one piece on a base is less adaptable. Plus, I contracted for fair price, but if I had to add 2 square feet of detailed earth and on a base, it would double the job time, at least. Not gonna ask for more money.

besides, modular gives him versatility, and if he damages a wall section, its not a total write off. :)

I personally like one piece, based forts for looks. made a bunch for myself. Never used them. :( Use my modular walled forts all the time :)

Duct tape? What? JJ, I may not be anywhere near the great scratchbuilders and terrain makers here on TMP, but I'm pretty good, put love and my heart into everything I make for folks, and I'll be damned if I am gonna make something for a paying client using duct tape!!!!!

:) :) :) :)

Can you imagine? I get enough hate here for being a clown in the parlor and fez. Send somone a Camaron compound, a freind, no less, made with duct tape? There aren't enough pitchforks and torches for everyone! :)

:) :) :) :)

Smokey,

Man you picked the right time to ask about this, with tomorrow being Camerone Day!

In 28mm ground scale, the hacienda compound takes up 30"x30", so in 15mm about a 18"x18" baseboard, which to me at least is not oversized for a major terrain piece.

You can get MDF or Masonite or "hardboard" in 1/8" thickness, just make sure it's tempered (smoothly finished) on both sides. So long as it's tempered on both sides it will never warp.

At the time of the battle the dual gateways in the West wall of the compound no longer had doors, and there is the pre-existing GAP near the East end of the South wall. But that's a gap in a thick brick wall, which probably wasn't cleared all the way down to the dirt. My own version has a couple of rows of bricks left intact towards the bottom. Remember, that gap was narrow enough to be blocked by just one man, at least at the start of the battle.

In case it may be of use to you, here's a link to a blueprint I made of the Hacienda Compound before I had it built in 28mm:

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You may want to put one or two doors in the North wall, leading to the hacienda itself. There were actually two doors there and they allow the Mexicans to attempt to gain entry via the main road just North of the compound.

Also, during the battle the Mexicans created a SECOND GAP in the East wall, just South of the Hacienda building itself. For my compound I made this a removable breach, which worked well.

Whatever you do, Smokey, best of luck with building your own Hacienda de la Trinidad, which I am confident will be muy excellante!

PS Smokey, if you really want to go crazy I remembered I wrote very detailed modelling instructions based on all the historical research I was able to compile, for the guy who built my version, which if you're so inclined, you can read here:

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ROFLMAO! I accepted the job, THEN found your site (and said: "Damn! The ante has been upped!") I have been studying your stuff all day!

That is just GREAT work! I already used your map for my blueprints!

Did YOU build that? The one made of Gatorboard and/or resin walls?

That is one of the beautiful works I've ever seen!

Smokey,

First off, thanks very much for your kind words!

Second, to set the record straight: there are at least three different compounds displayed in different posts on my Cameone Day site, but I didn't build any of them!

The first one that shows up shown was built by my good buddy Nick Stern. The second one which appears in July and August 2012 was built by Michael Monremarano and used by him and Rich Hasenaeur for their award-winning Camerone game at the 2012 Historicon.

And then there is the masterpiece… the third version… the version I designed and Chris The Model Maker built for me.

The Hacienda compound model and the others that go with it -- the abandoned Inn across the street, the deserted village buildings, the decrepit dam and the Indian dwellings -- are the finest buildings in my collection. They were a long time coming but worth all the time they took, and luckily they arrived just in time to be used for my 150th Anniversary game back on April 30th, 2013, which was a pretty freakin' awesome day here in my little corner of Southern California!

Dang, mane! Gonna have to go OFF on this one. Thought I would build a playable, super neat version.

Already done, thrice. :O

Now I'm making a copy of a masterpiece. :O

Hi Smokey

If you're still looking for basing material, I've used self-adhesive vinyl floor tiles, sticky side up, which I just stuck the foamcore directly too. As they're designed to stick to floors, the glue is pretty strong. Any exposed glue can either be painted or treated with a fine layer of sand. Whilst they're is some flex to them, once the structures on, they're pretty rigid and advantages are that they're thin and can be cut with a knife or strong scissors. Might be an option.

Regards