Supercilius Maximus | 15 Apr 2015 5:28 a.m. PST |
I know there are some general lists of Royalist units on-line, but does anyone know of a website that has details about the make-up of the Oxford army in 1643 and 1644? |
GurKhan | 15 Apr 2015 5:51 a.m. PST |
link has a list of the Oxford Army foot regiments in 1644, though not the horse. You may also be able to extract information from PDF link |
GamesPoet | 15 Apr 2015 8:53 a.m. PST |
Regarding the PDF link, anyone know what book that chapter is from? |
MajorB | 15 Apr 2015 9:45 a.m. PST |
Regarding the PDF link, anyone know what book that chapter is from? Apparently from this: "Oxoniensia is the annual journal of Oxfordshire Architectural and Historical Society (OAHS). " oxoniensia.org link So not a book, but a journal. |
Timmo uk | 15 Apr 2015 9:55 a.m. PST |
SM I have a photocopy of a Stephen Ede-Borrett article that was an academic paper he published – I located it in Cambridge University Library. It's the most complete record I've seen. I'll try to get it photocopied for you if you don't find what you want plus some other sources – Peter Young's Cropredy book is very good and the more recent text on Cheriton is also worth a look. I'll see what I can compile for you if you're not in a desperate rush. Pretty much all the regiments are known along with many coat colours and flag colours. A bonus is that the army used a semi-permanent brigade structure that is also known. |
Timbo W | 15 Apr 2015 10:40 a.m. PST |
Hi sm, Also the bcw regimental wiki here wiki.bcw-project.org might be useful for you. I hope to make some army specific lists at some stage but not for a while as there's lots to do before then. Anyone's welcome to have a go of course! Cheers Tim |
Timbo W | 15 Apr 2015 1:24 p.m. PST |
Also, Symond's diaries are up online at link (Molyneux's website) which much of the info comes from for the Oxford army. Sadly I don't think Symonds notebook (with flag sketches etc) is available online. |
Supercilius Maximus | 16 Apr 2015 6:38 a.m. PST |
A big "thank you" to all respondents. @ Timmo – Time is not of the essence, so any time you are able to, I would appreciate that informaton. @ Timbo – Thanks for those leads. I was aware of the regimental list, but had lost the link; plus I had it in my head – maybe wrongly – that it's a bit skimpy on details compared to some other sources I've seen here and there in the past (and I'll admit I didn't feel like trawling through every single entry unless I absolutely had to!). Cheers SM |
Supercilius Maximus | 16 Apr 2015 7:06 a.m. PST |
Further to "GurKhan's" link to the American ECW Society, the document refers to each Tertia being in three divisions. I noticed there were 9 regiments in each Tertia, but given the variations in size, it seems unlikely that this split neatly into three divisions of three regiments each. The last two Tertia appear to be around 2100-2300 men each; the first seems nearer 3000 if you allow 25-35 men per company. Were these "divisions" tactical formations or merely an internal structure for the Tertia? If so, are they analogous in any way to the Swedish or Dutch systems (the predominant tactical philosophies in the ECW, I believe), or was there some hybrid English compromise? |
GurKhan | 16 Apr 2015 7:22 a.m. PST |
Symonds' Diary says "When the King's army was in Cornwall, the infantry was divided into three tertias, and every tertia should consist of three brigades, and thus they continued the march backe againe". But in his brief descriptions of fighting, it always seems to be a whole tertia operating together. |
Timmo uk | 16 Apr 2015 9:43 a.m. PST |
I'd say those figures are probably over estimates. Typical strength for the Royalist Oxford foot in 1644 was about 4,000 – 5,000. I always think the army works out well for wargamers until you consider the numbers of horse present. However, the army constantly changes and it's worth looking at all the actions and sources possible to follow this. The size of regiments and companies varied wildly, some regiments being about 500 strong and others less than 100 with a high percentage of Reformadoes. I have an OOB for Second Newbury that includes the West Country army as well. |